We cannot even sit here with straight faces and pretend like we have not noticed the controversial topic of discussion this week. To get you up to speed, basically Sarah of Curls & Blossoms shared her curly hair story with Curly Nikki. Sarah is a white woman. Since then both she and Curly Nikki have received a ton of backlash for sharing that particular natural hair journey and the opinions are rolling in like an uncontrolled wildfire.
The team here on BHI have been talking about it as well, we have all seen the comments and we have tried to rationalized why black women feel so strongly as to why we cannot see the “curly hair struggle” as a united struggle beyond race and beyond texture.
I will share the same two comments Sarah shared on her blog here:
“Why do we need to make spaces for people who already have representation? Always so willing to accommodate and yet always being less accommodated. Making spaces for white women in the limited spaces made for women of colour isn’t going to change anything.”
“Still shaking my head at the black women on here defending this mess. Y’all are absolutely pathetic. I don’t want to hear any of you complaining when white women take over Essence and they change “Black Girls Rock” to “All Girls Rock”. We basically have nothing for ourselves, so we carve out a little space of our own in the beauty world and sellouts are ready and willing to hand this precious space over to white women. It’s amazing. And sad.”
Then there is this comment:
“You are free to call your hair whatever you want, but seeking inclusion in a space that was created to allow black women the opportunity to buck conventional ideals of western beauty standards, learn to accept and embrace themselves despite the images that we see in the media, and gain an understanding for our hair despite having few external examples to learn from, is the real issue. You cannot ignore the politics that exist surrounding black hair. Black children are being sent home from school for wearing their hair in afros.
Black men have to wear their hair shaved low otherwise it’s deemed unprofessional, and black women are told that the way that our hair grows out of our scalps is inappropriate for professional settings. These are real challenges that we uniquely face and the natural hair movement was created in part to begin to dismantle them. So please, call your hair whatever you wish, but quit seeking inclusion in a space that was created to challenge the very privilege that you apparently don’t even realize that you enjoy.”
Sarah’s responded on her blog…
Y not they put chemicals in their hair too..*disclaimer* just responding to the question i did not read the article lol
I guess in there own group…our hair regiment is totally different.
Its actually not different some of the same products work for them
Nothing wrong with it!
Anyone can be part of the natural hair movement. One thing that society needs to stop doing is assuming that only black women get perms and weaves.
When a white person get a perm their hair gets curly our become straight…so its a little different…an example: I cant get advice from someone who dont know what labor pains fees like only someone who has been there and understand what i am talking about…this is what we have in common…
Lets get the proper terminology and maybe this will help many out. women of color use Relaxers to relax the curls. Other use Perms to create semi-permanent curls with rods. Either way its totally different, we have different ways of keeping up maintenance, just no reason why there needs to be an issue. When we start walking around not putting oil and grease in our hair, then we gonna have a major problem. We use some of the same stuff, does it make sense, no it doesn’t. The hair textures that most weave made of do not come from our own hair types, but we all wear weaves though
Natural is natural…period!!
Natural is natural, why does race have to be a factor??
Thank you!!
Because race always has and always will matter . . . no matter what. If white women want to create a space to talk about their struggles with their hair, then they can create it. Why the need to infiltrate the spaces that are geared to black women? They have the capital and connections to make just about anything happen that they want to see happen. Lily White (Sarah) already has a blog, so she’s already set . . . just talk about her struggles there. She already admitted to being a troll and her mission was to stir up controversy. In short, no, I do not want to see whites on black hair blogs. Bloggers/Vloggers who include them will lose me as a visitor/subscriber.
Because it is not about hair… It’s about an entire race of women being told they are not pretty, because they don’t look like a different race. It’s about those women owning their unique beauty, recognizing it, celebrating it. Women of other races should celebrate with them, not dilute the message.
Yeah her hair is naturally curly, so why not?
I doubt it’s naturally curly, if you’re truly Caucasian you don’t have a wave pattern. Just like Asians only have bone-straight hair unless they’re mixed. So unless she’s mixed/Hispanic her hair isn’t naturally curly and she shouldn’t be on blog about woman with actual curl patterns and actually struggles.
That’s not necessarily true. Not all Caucasians have bone-straight hair, and the same groupings and stereotyping falls for every race. I know many “truly Caucasian” Caucasians that have kinkier hair than mine. So, do I feel that they could know some of the natural haired black woman’s struggle, yes, they can.
It depends on what you mean Caucasians since my best friend at School was Greek and she had the most beautifu natural curly hair who only wanted straight hair.
I didn’t read the article but I’m starting too notice white girls trying to get in/do more of whatever black women are doing. Shits annoying.
And to me the african american natural hair movement is more than just styles and what product to use. It’s about teaching black girls/women how to LOVE THEIR HAIR in a society that tells them naps are dirty and uncooth. Becky doesn’t have that issue, Becky needs to get her ass another hobby. >.>
Exactly.
You better preach sister!
Thank you girl!! I couldn’t had said it better myself!!!
Amen !
If it wasn’t for the natural hair movement. I’d still be sitting around with a head full of expensive weave and DAMAGED hair. Dreading wearing my natural hair in between getting a new weave. I wouldn’t walk out the house without weave or a wig. I’m not downing anyone who wears weaves/wigs, my problem was I loved that stuff more than my own hair! Since I’ve stumbled upon this page and various others, I love my hair and haven’t had in weave in it for MONTHS. THAT is what the black hair movement is about in my opinion.
It wasn’t an African American woman movement! But a worldwide people of AFRICAN DESCENT MOVEMENT! :DD
Other than that I’m 110% with you on this!
And this is coming from someone who’s always been natural! 🙂
Yes becky needs a new hobby
she just being greedy
Girl I couldn’t say it better if I practiced.
People acting like they never relaxed their hair or at one point thought their hair in its natural state was nappy. Give me a damn break already. When I grew up , natural hair was taboo. White people have curly hair too. They struggle too. That’s the problem with black people and they will never see a change. So damn ignorant. No sense of pride just pure haters.
I’ve never relaxed my hair never will I.
Dear Miriam,Thank you for a reasonable and human outlook here.I am a caucasian woman age 57.I was so pleased to find this site after searching for information about the coil curl hairstyle and following this womans image here.I had a spiral coil perm years ago and Inever felt more lovely nor had ever gotten more compliments than I did with the hairstyle.I always felt it was more of a copy of the old silent film actress’ -Mary Pickford’s- than anyone or any other specific affiliation or identiifier as being exclusive from an ethnological point.I admired so many gorgeous sisters of color who I did happen to see with long ringlet coils and never imagined that we as women above all,would or could ever fault another woman for admiring and adopting any beauty image that makes one feel beautiful and that is perfectly flattering that woman in a positive way.All I can say is that we women are the strong mothers,daily problem solvers,support systems and examples for our childten.We deserve to feel like a movie star and get a head turn as we walk down the street ..because as women that is a part of what we are.Lets not trifle over petty issues like existed on my childhood that focus on alienation and discourse over things such as which races should have the only cultural right to sport certain hairstyles.Personally I’m 100% for anyone who adopts a certain style,image or look that boosts their personal self,that gives them that extra boost to forge forwatd in their lives in a happier and more elevated mindset.I pray every day for the time to come when we as human beings can all finally get to a place of taking each other for the people we are(or not)..Because of ancient useless lingering evils that continue to this day,but we can chip at it ,with respect and love.I do feel that any woman,this actress or myself harbor any intentional motives to consciously disrespect or encroach upon black american culture or identity by wearing hair a certain way.In my search today I am blown away at all the drop dead gorgeous images of women who have this style- regardless of skin tone.We have enpugh as women to deal with,I wpuld never begrudge any female the right to feel and look like a queen..if every woman in my town copied a look I had.We have better times and things that warrant greater attention to our personal lives as women ,and we are better than allowing ugliness and being hateful to each other to continue to enter our lives.But then we live in the real world,and must be mature and try to stand up to wrongs as we can against each other.I wanted the style again maybe,thus my search,and I may go forward.But doing so,it will be as a compliment and honor to all black women from that day on,and not meant as a theft of the race but as a show of how beautiful a womam can be and feel.
Huh? White people’s curly hair isn’t any where near like black people’s hair. Even when their hair is curly they aren’t getting ridiculed and harassed for it. No one tells them their needs to be combed. What REAL struggle do they have? Having to take what an extra x amount of time to comb it? lol Yeah the struggle is so real.
Not necessarily true. Used to work with a White Jewish girl(are they really white?) that texture-wise was my hair twin(I do not have “good” hair). White girls hair can get pretty kinky also. Also met another one whose hair was waayyy nappier than mine, even took this chick to get her hair relaxed for the first time back when I was still a creamy crack addict.. Though based on this lady’s picture I do not consider her a naptural chick( which definately a “Curly” girl and there are definately some cross pollination as far as hair health and products but her hair is not what I would call kinky… but there are definitely white girls out there with some kinky hair that need help and advice and have been ostracized about it.
Most intelligent response!
My daughter’s nickname is also Becky and she’s a 10 yr old natural black girl so can she be part of the movement?
Anyways I guess we can include other people of another colour as long as we keep control of the business..like white people will tell us what to do etc..
@ilike Donald Trumps Comb over Thank you! I wish I could like this one million times!
I don’t see anything wrong with white women asking black women for hair advice. That’s a plus for us. If I give “Becky” some information, that doesn’t take away from me and what I’ve achieved by accepting my natural hair texture. I don’t see what the problem is with people of different races sharing their story. I don’t look at it as a “takeover.” When I pick up Ebony and Essence magazine, which I rarely do anymore, it’s not because it’s FOR blacks, it’s because I’m going to see some black people in it. I like what I see and what I read in those other mags, (Vogue) but I would like to see a few more folks who look like me in them. We still have a long way to go, us women and our black hair because like someone mentioned, we don’t have no problem paying gazillions of dollars to purchase hair that is not afro hair. Even natural heads will run out in a minute and get some hair far silkier and straighter than “Sarah’s” thick and curly hair for their protective style. If this is a movement then we need to stand for it 100% not just when it suits us.
Why not. They can stay and or be their own self too. For me is being natural, (trying) to find and be myself.
I know plenty of white people who have the same kind of ‘nappy’ hair some black people grow, so why not?
That’s a lie! Curly hair is different from African hair. Where are the images mocking white women with curly hair and calling it “nappy” (derogative term).
When had it been a problem for them to wear “natural hair”. It was more of a fashionable thing to wear straight hair for them. #Facts
Let them be “natural” whatever that means to them, but on their own turf!
Peace!
No it’s not ..Not necessarily true. Used to work with a White Jewish girl(are they really white?) that texture-wise was my hair twin(I do not have “good” hair). White girls hair can get pretty kinky also. Also met another one whose hair was waayyy nappier than mine, even took this chick to get her hair relaxed for the first time back when I was still a creamy crack addict.. Though based on this lady’s picture I do not consider her a naptural chick( while definately a “Curly” girl and there are definitely some cross pollination as far as hair health and products but her hair is not what I would call Kinky… but there are definitely white girls out there with some kinky hair that need help and advice and have been ostracized about it.
Jewish/White people already own most if not all of the major media outlets. If representing white/Jewish hair was so important than they all the tools and resources to do just that. They need to stay out of the little black space we have and leave us alone.
White people with 4C naps? I need receipts.
Stop fuckin puffin race in everything
Stop seeing color
They would just follow their own regimen
The shit they use we wouldn’t use
Plain and simple
All aboard the grow your own shit team
Yes! Natural hair is natural hair. Any man or woman of any race that has natural hair should be.
Last time I checked black people wasn’t the only ones getting perms and shit so if she wanna be natural too then what’s the problem…just bcuz her hair texture is different it doesn’t mean she can’t be a part of the natural movement. This isn’t a racial issue it’s just hair…
I think it’s more of a culture than a race thing. Curly is curly. I’ve seen white girls with super kinky curly hair. And rock it. How they style and take care of it really depends on what they are taught, who they are around. If it works for them to use a “black product” why does it matter?
It’s not so much the product or the styles but about what the black natural hair movement stands for. It’s teaching black women/kids how to love their hair in a society that says they shouldn’t! White women don’t need that, society says every other race of women should look like them.
There is no such thing as a white women who is not mixed with kinky hair. Please send her picture. Your comment is one of the reasons white women can’t go natural. Because for you it’s just about showing the world your curls. What a small issue of no consequence! Don’t you think?
Whoa let’s get one thing clear a white woman is also considered natural if her hair is not chemically altered. There are plenty of white women that are not bi/multi racial that have curly hair (I.e. Italians, Greeks, etc.) So to say that there is no such thing, and that they can’t “go natural” is extremely ignorant. Please understand what the word “natural” means when used in reference to hair. Natural hair is not just a black thing (even though the BLACK natural movement is)
It matters because the issue of hair especially for people of African descent has been under attack since time and still is. Being natural with your hair comes with many issues for Blacks around the world. This issue is not just about hair styles and hair products. It is of a social/moral issue. Black people all around the world are dictated too about their hair! You re
Who gives a shit…. Its hair.
Sure why not.. I seen a white woman with anfo..
No dear it was natural as it gets
Hell no.. We can’t have nothin without them taking that too., hell noooo!!
THANK YOU. The people seeing hell yes clearly or not seeing the repercussions that this may soon have. I can see another bout of misrepresentation of “natural hair” in the media coming from this. But then again, i always look over and above.
I wrote the same thing on another girls post., those ones saying yes got to be kidding me.. This is our movement appreciating ourselves and our history to have them white folks come and take our shit again.. That’s why I say “hell no!!! Lol
I agree
Thank you MsLatoya! Geez!
I see where people are coming from saying that it’s ok for all races and I agree to that on one level. On another I believe this movement is very important for women of african decent like us. It’s helping to love who we are the way we are. As a race we have been beat down so much it’s time to rise and be the people we were made to be.
Ignorant. “them”?? bet if a person from another ethnicity said “them” in generalizing black people she would be all kinds of racist! Get over yourself and realize it is not just black people who are discriminated against based on their hair. It’s a sad cycle and you all in this comment are repeating the walls of ethnic barrriers. smh
@Tiffany Christian And I suppose people who look like you have nothing to do with those “ethnic barriers” you speak of? Maybe you should take all of that preaching to your over privileged brothers and sisters and see what they say. Don’t pretend as if white women with curly hair have the same plight as black women with any hair type! Knock it off!!!
Yeah 🙂
I have to say no. We need something for ourselves
Yeah in the own group I mean do they perm their hair as much as black women idk I dont think the struggle is as hard for them
Absolutely… Being natural is not a classification. It is about accepting who God made you to be and how he designed you to look.
Sure, why not?
Yeah I think she would if she was mixed because she may have a relatable texture
I say no because their curly hair has never been called ugly, unprofessional or militant.
Not true!!!
True.
Ur statement is not true at all—
A white woman’s hair has NEVER been called any ofthose things because they’re the standard of beauty.
The closer to white a woman of any other race looks, the more beautiful she is considered, by everyone, even our own black people.
The founder of NaturallyCurly.com, a curly white woman says that she was asked to straighten her hair when she was an on-air news reporter because her boss said it looked more professional.
Jennifer you are right. I don’t know what the other two are talking about.
I completely understand how easy it is to get swept up into the notion of it’s a “black” movement/it’s a “black” thing. I am a black female and was raised by a black family that never hesitated to bring up racism or discrimination. However, we (black people – well, people in general) must be very careful of allowing ourselves to overestimate our experiences and in result, claiming them to be factual. To every idea that someone claims to be universal, someone else will have an exception.
For example, Jennifer Derima believes no white person has ever had their hair called ugly, unprofessional or militant – which she may see as true because she has never seen otherwise. However, people quickly responded with exceptions. I even have one on my own:
Being on a dance team, we were expected to show up to all performances looking nothing less than top-notch (this included nails, make-up, hair, etc) with our hair preferably curled. Some of y’all may not believe this, but I had two white captains and one black captain. There was a black girl on the team with curly hair and a white girl with curly hair. Guess who the WHITE captains agreed had to change her hair? The WHITE girl with curly hair. They loved the black girl’s hair – and so did I. The white girl had to immediately change her’s – and I only ended up feeling bad because the tormenting of her “inappropriate” hair resulted in her crying and damaging her hair by the end of season due to excessive heat. I helped her with her hair once and told her that she basically had the same texture as a black person and when I had finished, her face was lit up. She said all her life no one knew what to do with her hair, not even her mom. Honestly, it was because she did not have anyone around her that knew how to take care of her texture, but assumed that since she is white, that her hair should be treated like the typical white person’s hair.
I understand that it gets frustrating to belong to a group that you feel completely understands you, which is why I personally think the black natural hair movement is getting more and more members everyday, only to see someone show up that can be a potential threat to your feeling of “belonging” . But we fight and fight sooo much for sooo long to be equal, to be accepted, to be appreciated as what and who we are born to be….is it really right for us to turn around and dismiss, neglect, and/or scowl someone for ultimately being….”different” (and by different, we are strictly talking about race, because her hair does fall somewhere on that same hair type chart that almost all of us have seen)?
Sorry for the long post….and I don’t mean to offend anyone by any means….because I truly do understand both sides – sometimes right and wrong isn’t black and white.
Please specify because i know most A.A have the tendency to say white people and they’re latino or some other mix. was she truly with the european white?
She definitely is not Latino. If I were to trace her ancestry would I find another race in there somewhere? Well yes, probably – just as if I were to trace the ancestry of most African Americans, I would most likely find another race somewhere in there too. However, she is predominately white – pale skin, blond hair and all. So by those standards, some of the women that have commented would not accept her into this “movement”. I know for a fact that I dont have %100 African blood running through me, but I am considered black. Am I not accepted into this movement now either?
Having hair that I have only just, at 39yo, figured out to somehow keep from shooting straight out from my head. I have definitely been seen as lower class, uneducated, ungroomed and unprofessional because of my hair. I’ve been brought into meetings with supervisors where they are discussing the condition of my hair. That being said, these are not things with which I identify. If a person is being attacked for being exactly what they are, this is an entirely separate distinction. If a woman is being attacked for representing her race, she cannot separate herself from that shame without removing the shame entirely, because it should not exist… That is my understanding of the natural hair movement. I’ve taken rather a crash course on the movement over the last week, and I have no problem with recognizing this issue, supporting the people it affects and acknowledging that I am not one of those people. As a curly haired individual, I know that my issues are entirely separate from the point of the natural hair movement. To other curly-haired white women, I would say… The natural hair movement is about black women celebrating the honor, beauty and history of being a black woman. It’s about jettisoning the shame that American society has placed on uniquely black features and recognizing, even among black people, the unique beauty of black women. This movement has nothing to do with white women. As white women with curly hair, we should be able to recognize the similarities and striking differences in our experiences, and we should support the movement.
Thank you for your honesty and understanding, Kimberly.
You’re welcome, Jennifer. It’s so easy to be oblivious. There will always be people who wallow in hate or see mocking as wit, but I think most people are just unaware of how invasive the issues of race still are. I’m very grateful for the many women who have commented on this issue and for what they have taught me.
The natural hair movement is exclusive to Black women for me. I embarked on the journey once I realized there was nothing innately wrong with the texture of my hair. No matter what issues a white woman may have with her hair she can never and will never be able to relate it to or understand how hair could be used as a tool to label someone inferior. This idea that we have to ignore race so we can all get along is an issue in and of itself. It leads people to think racism is over and white superiority no longer exist. The ruling class doesn’t need a voice. They r the VOICE.
I truly disagree because I have family members who are mixed and Mexican and they have the same issues! Hair issues are hair issues! The solution is for each of us to individually LOVE THE HAIR WE GROW…bottom line!!!
Exactly mixed, Mexican etc. but not white. That chick ^ is white, pure white with curls that don’t seem authentic.
Yes an overall issue for all women maybe for Western culture to be less superficial and allow us the space to love ourselves in our totality. However your Mexican cousins weren’t forced to perm and straighten their hair to get out of the field and into the house. Your cousins who are mixed automatically qualify because a common pattern in our society is to deem any person half black all black, oppose to just letting them identify as mixed. As a Black woman don’t be so quick to give up a movement we created to empower ourselves to the masses because these movements are few and far in between.
They sure can!
Uhhhh no! Is that really a question?
Have you ever seen a white person with 4c hair? It’s more to it than just chemicals. The majority of white people usually get perms to have curls. The struggle of being natural is different between white and black folks
So I guess only 4C naturals can be part of the natural hair movement. How about 3A?
What a dumb remark! Educate yourself because the natural movement is about social/cultural/moral issues not just hair styles/products!
I am just laughing – it takes a White woman to focus our attention on what we are really about in the ‘natural hair community’ and so now we really have some discussion taking place about who we are and what we are about!!! Wow ! According to Bob Marley- emancipate yourselves from mental slavery -none but ourselves can free our minds!! The natural hair movement is a by-product of freedom from mental slavery. Freedom from low self esteem (about who we are and how our hair has been categorised)- we can FLAUNT our natural hair(its a coming out haha). So therefore a white women is a fly on the wall in this conversation- it is about US(personal and community)! So do we get ‘it’ yet? What more will it take- this is a process and a journey. When we are no longer bothered if white women join the journey – that could be the sign that our mental slavery is being erased and replaced by PRIDE and OWNERSHIP – huh – think on these things
If the hair is chemically altered….its no longer in it’s ” natural state”…that goes for any race.
* a part
Why not she has Natural Hair…now whether her tips are relevant to me probably not!!!
Yes I’d believe so because they perm and straighten just as much as us Ppl that think not really should reconsider wat being natural is just cuz we have kinks and they don’t don’t mean they can’t be natural
Some whites have kinky hair. There is a Russian group who are known for very light colored nappy hair. In fact the winter games were played on their land. If I find photo will post. White skinned people can have black in them. Many Jewish have kinky hair etc.
Sure why not. If she is natural, she is natural.
The girl needs a freakin hobby! She has no real understanding of the true impact people of African descent world wide face with their natural hair issues.
I see some real ignorant no’s But that ain’t none if my business
Sure
Oh lord lol , no comment noooooooooooo comment.
Natural does not just mean mean curly or afro. Natural is whatever your hair is like as it grows out of your head. If your hair is naturally straight, it is still NATURAL.
People are so ignorant. I welcome white ppl, they are natural like everyone else.
it’s nice that you do. She can be natural on her blog/page. It makes no since for her to come to an A.A page and talk of her struggles and give advice. It’d be irrelevant for everyone who comes to those pages to gain knowledge and confidence etc. Let All who choose to be or want to be natural, be. Just understand it’s under totally different circumstances and they’re totally different issues.
If she has naturally curly hair i have no prob with it
Of course they can
Call it what you want but there is no social stigma attached to straight or loosely coiled long curly hair.
Since when has hair been a social struggle for white women? They surely didn’t forget about that privileged white skin did they? Some of you bw are so obtuse. Ww will see something going good, slide in there and then pretend as if they pioneered the movement. Wake up!
Can the black woman please have something that’s ours alone????? Please
When their children get kicked out of school for having “natural” hair that is not “tamed, to big, unruly,” or you get told that you may loose your job because your hair is unprofessional or unkempt then they can be become apart of the natural hair movement. Other than that there hair is just curly period! and if you all didn’t read about this article you should she basically said her natural hair journey went from wearing a BUN to getting the courage to wear it down. That’s not part of this movement.
Love you comment.
Well Stated! After reading a majority of these comments I don’t think most AA/black women have a clue just what the natural movement is about. Many seem to think it is about hair styles, individuals hair journeys, hair textures, curls, waves, weaves. wigs and hair products. What a SHAME!
Tiffany… I have been told many times that my hair is unprofessional or messy, and I have had my job threatened. I have been seen as unkempt, uneducated and low class. The precious distinction that I see is that a white individual may have difficulty, and those difficulties may make her feel unattractive, but this is so small when you are looking at an entire race of women made to feel unattractive. I have only just started to learn about the natural hair movement, because of the uproar of this article. The natural hair movement platform is about recognizing the unique beauty and honor of black women. It’s not just about hair. It’s about skin shade, nose width… all these beautiful features that are uniquely black, that have been shamed and subjugated by an ignorant and frightened society. White women belong only as supporters… We, as white women, should celebrate the natural hair movement as it raises the recognition an entire race of women has for their collective beauty. We are supporters, not participants.
I knew this day would come.
Rock, blues, soul, RAP. The AFRO just take it all why don’t you.. Dang gotta have it all. They can exclude blacks from everything from radio to genre to their magazines. But NOOOO we must include them in everything BET, Jet, Centric. We can’t have nothing!
So many hateful, jealous black women smh. They don’t even realize that this post is bringing out their insecurities and ignorance. Smh.
It’s not about being jalous no no no. You need to understand that the natural hair journey is so much more than stopping perms and stuff. It’s really about accepting the texture of your hair in a society that tells you it’s unprofessional, too big, too wild etc. And from this point a white girl would not fit the movment just because she’d never be excluded from school or refused a job just because of the texture of her hair. That’s a fact! Now you can disagree on that but know that it’s really not about jealousy.
There are white women with naturally curly hair who have gone through the same shit, so what’s your point? I know plenty who have said they used to straighten their hair all the time, because they were told their hair was unacceptable. Are people THAT ignorant?? SMH.
Camelia Ganga, agreed, but some of these women have bi racial children with natural hair so they as well need tips on how to tame & maintain especially since there are no white groups helping them cater to black hair! C’mon it’s more than just black women who have to deal with Natural hair!
Yea
Natural hair mean that our race is going back to our roots to be NATURAL. Many blacks have struggled with accepting their natural state of hair and go to the weaves, perms, so much dye, and so much other products to look like something they we are naturally not. This is about rebuilding who we are. Other races can help blacks embrace our movement by promoting more natural products and posting more pics of more natural black women.
Yes y not having natural hair should have no color attached! White ppl have hair problems too!
It’s not the same!
well why have the moniker black hair information if everyone is included smh
One comment talking about black women are jealous and hateful n shit.. What are you?!???!
Also I need to say this. There are white people who DO have naturally curly hair. There are Asians and hispanics too. Curly/kinky hair is not limited to a certain race. Get out more if you really believe that.
Saying all non-blacks who have curly hair must be permed is just as bad as people who assume a black woman with long hair has a weave. Doesn’t feel too good does it? Don’t generalize people if you don’t want to be generalized. Smh.
The Real Person!
the problem is ….thats not what we are saying.. what we are saying is that the struggles are different.. so just like you have the right to share your struggles on new created platforms, others have the right to be protective of it. even though we are all ‘natural’ there is an understanding that for black women the struggle is greater, and so there pride might be greater too.. we have to respect that..and only in that space of respect can we have any understanding Azure Nefertari
White women with curly hair, same struggle. They too had to straighten their hair when they were told that their curly hair was unacceptable. It’s not just limited to black people. You are perpetuating bigotry and prejudice. That’s not “protecting” that’s exclusion. You wouldn’t want anyone excluding us from stuff, you’d be quick to call it racism. Really sad when people can’t see the bigger picture. I welcome anyone who is natural with open arms. Curly or not.
My god can we have something of our own sometimes. They took rock, jazz n blues. Nothing wrong with supporting the movement
Anyone who’s natural hair journey is just about showing the world their curls should probably keep their weave.
Ciani your comment made absolutely no sense at all, and is completely irrelevant as a contribution to this conversation. I saw your bigoted, ignorant post too. Smh.
Wait a minute, Azure Nefertari. Are you saying that if people don’t agree with YOU, then they’re a bigot? Thought you were the “open-minded” one? Listen, everyone will not agree to everything. But if something is created by a person, for themselves and others in their family, friends, or community, then they have the right to feel upset if someone takes it/shares it/steals it without permission. It’s just like family/ethnic recipes. You might think it’s no big deal to steal, a.k.a. borrow, someone’s family recipes, because you probably did not create any of your own. But to the creator(s), they’re going to be fuming! It’s kinda the same thing, except hair seems to have more importance to the black female community than food. Bottom line: you don’t have to agree, but since you didn’t create the movement (are you even part of the movement? No shade, but I can’t tell by your comments) then who are you to tell the creators and their community how they should feel when an outsider wants to partake in that movement?
Maybe I just don’t get it. This struggle.
I understand ciani Nicole Johnson and I respect your opinion.. Stand up for you belief girl!!
why do you want to white ppl to come in to platform that deals with BLACK WOMEN and their natural when their curly hair is totally different from black ppl?
^^^^She does not get it
So just a question…Are you guys also okay with seeing other races on the cover of Ebony or Essence magazine? What about Hype Hair? Do they still make Jet? haha Just a question.
Ppl with naturally straight hair have issues? Since when?
Natural is natural
Yes girls of all races should understand the pressure to straighten their curly hair I know some that I have never seen their curls until it got wet at the beach and it was a surprise. They feel the pull to be like everyone else too
Yes they can be “natural” too!
…BUT…
Start your own movement though. Peace! XD
The term Natural doesnt apply to race, or skin color.. is just the fact that you are not chemically treating your hair and you wear it in it´s natural state…DONE!
Sure lol
I understand it IS their NATURAL hair. But just leave the movement alone they jump on every band wagon. I thought the movement were black women embracing THEIR NATURAL after years of embracing white peoples natural and now here we are. Ready to embrace it again I mean dang! America, South Africa white people just want it all. And here we are like always saying “here you go, we can share” like we always do.
I can understand if she was born with bone straight hair! There are people born with really curly thick hair no matter their color or ethnicity! If she is tired of chemically straightening her hair then why not let share her journey! Obviously there was a reason she kept hair straight for years instead of embracing her natural curl! The desire for straight hair is universal!
Let the girl get on a white website!
I wish I could like this some more.
Why not if she’s natural she’s natural
Wow get a life. Hair is hair. I can stand people who make everything about color and you wonder why we can move pass our issues.
What planet do you live on? What country are you from? If you are from America then color and race will always be an issue. If you are an AA/black female/male then your race/ color and everything about you is negative from society as a whole. We can’t get pass race issues because whites won’t let us. Many slaves thought slavery was good for us as a whole. Sweeping issues under the rug will not assist us as a society evolve. Tell your silly remarks to whites and see if they respond with a friendly remark. Why do you blame blacks for now they feel about this subject? Blacks did not create this situation. whjtez
If she has curly .. What us the issue .. Please don’t perpetrate the same isms we are trying to over come
I say yes!!!! Natural is natural.. Race has nothing to do with it..
Why does race have any thing to do with it?
Yes I work with a white guy his hair was kinky than mine I wore it late 60 and 70 it your hair you was born with no one own the right to one hair the movement was when we protest for rights Iam 60 something I was raise to embrace my culture my hair is kinky love all we came from One rock on
Its sad that When it comes to things Blacks are just as bad as whites when it comes to stuff,just as petty!!!Who cares if they join.God wants women in general to accept ourselves wether we are white or black
right
That’s problem right there it’s a so called movement so yes they can be apart of the “movement” but for me I’m not apart of a so called “movement” or “fad” it’s my life and I’m doing it for me I don’t care what they or any other woman does if you’re in it for the “movement” then of course you”ll have a problem and your in it for the wrong reason
No one is coming up to white girls asking can I touch your hair, or living in a society where kinky, coily hair is a major obstacle. So no no no and hell no. They have plenty of isles in grocery stotes where they can find sufficient products and knowledge about haircare and we only get a endcap. MOVING ON…
As far as products go, I think we get more than an endcap these days. And yes, hair care products for our type of curls have expanded because black women have been speaking out and companies have been listening because they continue to want to get our money. But, truthfully, the main products were always there, black women just didn’t know how to use them. I come from an era where the only available styling gel for hair in general, was Dippity-Do. Now, that did not work on my hair. Conditioner was available, but I didn’t know about co-washing or leaving the conditioner in etc….. And my mom never purchased the conditioner! The massive amount of products we have now weren’t there for blacks or whites. My hair still thrived from washing and oiling and braiding. I still had long, manageable hair. And what’s wrong with people asking if they can touch your hair. Black hair is unique and alluring. When I see juicy twists, or cottony hair that looks like it would feel soft as a cloud, I want to touch it too! I think it’s a compliment when someone asks to to touch it.
A lot of you women sound really ignorant. Natural hair or natural beauty is not something that people can claim as your own because everyone has it and God made us that way. If your hair grows out of your head without you doing anything to it then congratulations you are apart team natural. Another thing I don’t get is why we have to separate ourselves from relaxed, natural , weaves n etc. Hair is hair and just because it’s not something as separating light skins from dark skins doesn’t mean it’s not just as ridiculous and it’s ALWAYS the black people who keep doing it. Just stop and be happy doing you.
I really don’t care. Not being rude or disrespectful, but I’m tired of our efforts not being accepted until they do it. I care about every one as humans, but I’m CONCERNED about my people.
Hair that grows from the scalp whether straight curly or kinky is natural hair in my opinion.
I don’t have a problem with this. Everybody hair type is different. If they want to be part of the natural hair movement then be my guess. When did the natural hair movement end at color? I know a white girl with unruly curly hair. Hell my hair isn’t nappy, I have curly hair almost like hers. I’m not mixed or anything. So have a open mind people and quit all the hating. Its not a good look.
No and no explanation needed!
huh, what the heck is this
yes! but she wont understand …THE STRUGGLE lol
Why not? Maybe it’s just not that deep to me. Curl typing, black vs white hair struggles, it’s all over my head. It’s just hair! What makes you think her journey is any different? White girls straighten, perm, weave and color their hair too. Black people are always crying about inclusion but are quick to exclude people. Get off it.
Yes! It’s about natural curly hair.
Ok. <— white girl w mixed stepdaughter here…. It was one blog post right ? Curlynikki hasn't changed her format or anything has she? It's been a while since I've been to her blog. It still is an open blog anyone can read and comment on, correct ? I say more power to her for including different perspectives for her readers. If you want a space that is just for black women to discuss their views if the natural hair movement great. You can do that and have a closed group with membership. Unless it's a closed group, I say more information and variety is always welcome. Dealing with multiple textures of hair on a mixed adorable girl is what I'm faced with. Since I'm helping to parent her , and love her hair is it ok to share the struggles we have or am I invading space ?
It not about the other races…our people need to learn how to join together at something and protect it and stop being so racist against their own people its nothing wrong with us having a group for our hair why do we have to give up everything to please another race. Learn to build your people first then you can embrace others. I agree with what alot of these sistas are saying can’t we have anything!
Natural hair DOES mean natural hair. White people DO have natural hair. No doubt. But I thought at least PART of the movement was glad black women breaking away from European beauty standards. What they know about that (T.I voice).
Why not, they process their hair too. They are also understanding that they don’t need to keep coloring, perming, and frying their hair to get it bone strait.
For the forum she is on yes she fits in there. As far as a forum like Black Hair Information I don’t think so. Every race has their “natural hair movement” so in a mixed environment I don’t expect it to be an issue
She’s only embracing her hair texture. Nothing else. I don’t believe she’s comparing herself to an afro-american woman. Give it a rest.
This site is called black hair information ijs
Omg y is the race card played in aspect of life now! It’s bad enough we can’t have shyt 4 ourselves but seriously who the hell cares! Seriously Ebony & Essence magazines are jumping on the bandwagon 2 about the “natural” thing! There r more important things in life than some white chic wit natural hair!
I think so
This is a no win conversation , if you say NO suddenly you’re being a hater. As if it’s impossible to simply just disagree with this movement. When we placed extensions and relaxers in our hair suddenly we were being white.
Sure, why not!
*Disclaimer* I’m half black
If only they experienced the level of shame black women experience about their hair FULL STOP
No….i relaxed my hair because i didn’t want to deal with the stuff not to look like them!
Why not? Because we need to stop always trying to get a white view on everything! Let us Afrikans have something just for us. And let everyone else do them on their “Hair Page” haven’t they stolen enough!?
I’m just here for the comment….. Carry on
Yes. Even if they are not mixed
For real they take everything!
I don’t think so!
I am white with a mixed race daughter, I do all the caring when it comes to my daughters hair. I cainrow, twist and plait and encourage her to love her natural hair. I learn along the way, I myself have curly frizzy hair and care for my hair in a similar way. I think anybody who loves their hair and wants the best out of it can be part of the movement! It isn’t about race or white women taking things away from black women (one of the comments have mentioned this) I feel anyone can love their natural hair and encourage others to do the same. Great page btw!
The Real Person!
Thanks love, thanks for your comment 🙂
Agreed, great perspective!
I am not now nor will I ever be interested in any white woman’s hair “struggle” ever. I can not fathom a “struggle” that is the standard of attainability and acceptability. One that has salons on every corner, mall and back alley. One that has commercials for products and several aisles if not all out complete store fronts dedicated to products just for white hair. Oh my how white women have suffered with limited resources available to them. I want space that is 100% free from their bullshit, god knows they’ve carved out plenty that would not give a second thought to anyone darker than flourescent beige.
Not trying to be discriminatory bcuz I’m not prejudice, but don’t we see caucasians dominating enough? The very few who may have similar hair textures…sure…but the ones who have had the most difficulties are the ones with the kinkiest driest texture who need the most help in learning how to manage their own hair. I’m not saying whites can’t get in on it if this is helpful for them also but do they really need to be the face on anything else?
Anyone with natural curly hair; regardless of the texture, can be a part of the natural hair movement.
Preach sista preach the struggle is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT in no way does our hair compare to a white womans head IN NO WAY
Natural hair is your own hair that God gave you, no matter what color you are. I have natural curly hair, might look kinky to some, but I can straighten it ,color it, braid it or perm it because its mine. I can buy a wig or wear a weave, make it long or short if want because its my business. We have to love the skin we’re in thank God for it and stop worrying about other peoples problem. And if we don’t like it well we know how to change it. They got the products in stores , convenient too.
No because they don’t have thick hair like black girls. Yes we’re all women but we’re also different so stop including everybody that don’t compare to us.
No.com
If you want exclusively blacks then make it Afro Negro Natural hair 🙂 be specific or else:)
Absolutely not
No. Everything we come up with they try to invade. Let us have something for ourselves. They didn’t have any of this until black people formed their own. Come on. We as black people will accept anything and invite everyone else in but clown and talk about our own. Let it go white people. We started having pride in our bodies, they started getting implants. Pride in our lips, they started getting biotic. Pride in our color, they started tanning. We started rapping, now they swear they are gangsters. Damn! And we just sit back like it’s ok. It wasn’t ok for us to use their bathrooms, eat at their lunch counters, etc. We settle for anything. Smh
I say its fine but start your own group you haven’t got a clue to what black woman face with there natural hair
Can we have 1 thing to our selves? Geesh
Natural is natural, no matter the race. What about all of the interracial kids? Can they not be natural without being “Black”? Like I’ve commented before on a hair debate, people are blowing up about this because some Black women think that “being natural” is a trend instead of being a healthy lifestyle. This shouldn’t even be an issue in 2014.
If you thought of it as living a healthy lifestyle, then you wouldn’t be angry, upset, up in arms about another race wanting to embrace natural living.
Hell, in 2050 humans will start looking this:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/10/changing-faces/img/13-marshall-hosanha-150.jpg
So if you want to keep the natural hair movement a “Black thing” then you might want to inform those people in the article I’m sharing (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/10/changing-faces/funderburg-text) that they aren’t black enough for the movement.
Only if she experienced the hatred towards kinky hair that some of us are still experiencing. Being forced to relax her hair because straighter is supposed to be better. And finally when you have the courage to find your inner beauty and being forced to cut your hair to regrow it the way God intended it to look. If she experienced a real struggle then I’d say yes. If she’s just having a hard time styling her curly hair, because her mom was used to straight hair then NO.
Of course! Throw that flat iron away girl!
We get it azure you disagree you think we are ignorant for having a different opinion than yours. We get it! Are you done?!
The struggle is different, but just as deep… Especially for the mixed curly girlies (myself included). The ones with white mamas be driving the struggle bus and have NO IDEA where they headed. Even some Caucasian curly girlies be having the worst time because no one in their family can help them manage their curls… so in conclusion… let the girl make it lol
You are beautiful. As a black woman, we need to uplift each other more instead of finding joy in misery.
I highly doubt that white women are combing black culture looking for things to invade and steal. “Black women are starting a natural hair movement. Let’s take that too! MUAH HA HA HA!!!!!!” Obviously she found something in all this natural stuff she could relate to. Racism does indeed exist but when WE let it play a role in every fucking thing, who are the ones that keep really picking the scab on that wound?
I’m going to try my hardest not to insult anyone here lol. I can understand both sides of this controversy. On the one hand, SKIN colour shouldn’t be an issue in a HAIR movement. However, it probably is easier in general (not always) for curly haired white people to get information and products for their hair than curly haired mixed or black people. Hence I understand people’s frustration over “the struggle”. And also, the natural hair community focused a lot on embracing a hair type that has been repressed specifically in black or mixed people. For example, my mixed race sister and white grandmother have the same “hair type” (2C/3A) however it’s my sister who receives more negativity about her curls while my grandmother receives compliments more often. Yes it’s stupid and ignorant, but I guess the issue is there regardless and that’s partly why skin colour is now being viewed in such a controversial light within the natural hair movement. It’s hard not to step on toes in such discussions, hope I expressed a fair outlook. Personally I don’t see the problem, in fact I’m trying to persuade my white mother to take more interest in the movement so that she can apply some hair care tips to her own regimen 🙂
I don’t have “natural hair” it’s straight as can be m but I fully support the natural hair thing. I went to beauty school that focused on natural hair because I love it. I may not be able to be part of the movement but I support it fully. Also our hair is made of the same stuff…. keratin.
If you don’t color, straighten, or curl your hair then it’s natural
The natural hair movement is about learning how to embrace not only the hair God gave you but learning how to love and be proud of yourself as a black woman! And showing the world how beautiful it is to be black, with our “nappy” , ” kinky” hair and all. White American culture traditionally has shamed our natural hair and discouraged us from even wearing it as God gave it because it has been considered ugly, unprofessional or “too ethnic”. As the dominant culture in this society, white women have never had to struggle with this issue, and NEVER to the extent black women have!! The natural hair movement encompasses SO much more than learning to love your natural hair; but only a Black woman would understand that. If white women are also becoming more inclined to use “natural” products, GREAT but they need to call it something else and stop trying to rob other people’s culture only when it’s “cool” or convenient to them. Where was their “support” and “encouragement” for natural hair before it became “in”???
The mix races if mix with black are black. The melanin makes it so. I dont think that the ladies are talking about mix. The question says white. So if you have a biracial child that is mixed with black….YOUR CHILD IS BLACK.
No my child is black and white! I’m not gonna deny either race.
No not me i have a relaxed hair cause its easier to manage
Is her hair natural them yes !! What some people seem to forget it’s that blacks aren’t the only ones with different textures of hair. What made natural hair only symbolize black hair ?
That doesn’t bother me at all. If she support the movement,we welcome her
I’m thinking of unsubscribing from this page. Why does it always have to be about black this and white that. There is no pure race. Everybody is mixed in someway. Everybody struggled in someway. Everybody dies and goes in the ground and turns to dirt. That’s as natural as you can get. If something or someone is altered, yes it/they can go back to it’s natural state depending on how it’s changed. If you chemically changed you hair for years, whether it has been permed or relaxed for years. So yes. But this white/black bigoted crap needs to stop.
The Real Person!
The topic is viral love, you might have to unsubscribe to a couple of pages 🙂
It frustrates to see Black people so disillusioned that they think race isn’t an issue anymore. Complacency is what’s going to keep us down at this point.
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@Tiffany Christian Why would a page such as this interest you?
Natural hair doesn’t just symbolize black hair but when your on a site that clearly states black hair information its clearly for black people #Chersa
I agree and that remark by sarina offends me ! And is very ignorant! No my child is black and white! I’m not gonna deny either race. And just because I am white does not mean I won’t do her hair ; not to mention white curly hair can b as unmanageable.
Dana, I think you’re talking about something a little different than what many of the commenters are saying. The issue is not whether you can log onto an open website and read it, comment, et cetera. That’s the internet; if it’s not membership only, then it’s an open site. The issue is when black hair sites change the content without notifying their current audience. If CurlyNikki wants to be inclusive of all curlies, then she should have probably let the current audience know. That way, they would not have been so shocked when they saw the profile of the young white lady. As for blackhairinformation.com, I can’t imagine anyone, black, white, latina, asian, native or otherwise, who would expect anything on the site but profiles of black hair, i.e. black people.
Of course
Racism is real I see. Calm down. Last time I checked we were all humna beings. Why does it always have to be a them versuses us, with everything in this country. You keep bigotry going with your narrow minds!
People love creating issues when old ones die out or get tired and fade- why can’t they? I say Yes they should!!
Its not ment to offend you or your child…see this the type of stuff that happens when people of other races dont understand our communication. I never said deny that your child is white and black. To each its own. I have no time to waste to give you accreditation on the issue if your child is black or white. In my race he/she is considered black. #DANALONDON
White women can have there own site why infiltrate ours dang. If your going to get offended build your own.
Exactly! Everything is catered to them. We can’t have our own now that they tried to keep us out of theirs?
And I disagree with that bull of whites shaming our race about hair. Its 2014 and I still hear black women talk about nappy hair and what’s good and bad hair. Masta’ still telling you about how nappy your hair is now, in 2014?! Really?! Let’s talk about how I’m gonna leave a legacy for my children of success and prosperity regardless of their hair pattern. Let’s talk about how their inheritance that I’M leaving them is what’s gonna help them with God’s help.
If someone has a problem with it, they don’t understand what it means to be natural, or human. She can be apart of the blog too any day. Come on down!
Idgaf if u r in the “movement” i just know im not gonna take ur advice cuz ur hair texture aint the same as mine…hell i dont take advice from some black girls for the same reason. Come on white girl hop on board.
That’s ashame for the ppl u know who cannot accept that a person is two races not one. If I called my daughter just white it’s not correct! I’m disgusted to see this racism! Cause that’s what it Is
Dana, come on now. I’m sure you realize that the idea of calling a biracial child black has a historical basis, right? You know that historically this was imposed upon blacks, right? By, the ruling white classes during slavery/colonization (and reconstruction/jim crow), correct? Blacks assimilated the message and have come to see this as “normal.” It might not be accurate scientifically, though. In fact, you probably don’t agree because you look at it scientifically, as well as through the eyes of a loving mother. So, it’s not racism, it’s just two different points of view. None of these commenters are trying to denigrate you or your child. They are only expressing the unspoken rules of their culture. I actually agree with you to some extent; I don’t see biracial people as black–unless they affirmatively state that they are. But then again, I come from a Caribbean background, where biracials were historically known as mulattos and were part of the bourgeoisie class; in fact, many of them would never want to be called black (then or now).
“Can’t we have our own?”
When we relax our hair, is that our own, or who are we imitating?
When we bleach our skin, is that our own, or who are we imitating?
When we sport our blue contacts, is that our own, or who are we imitating?
When we date outside of our race, we justify it, but when our men do, we talk bad about the woman of the other race.
Come on my sisters, let it go sometimes.
Your right it’s not the same your hair may be much harder to take care of but that doesn’t mean that I don’t also go through stresses of keeping my hair natural not speaking of myself necessarily but in a General sense, I can only imagine the pressure everyone is put through to conform to the perms and weaves etc. That doesn’t mean tho that other people don’t have hair issues even.though they are not EXACTLY the same I don’t believe that anyone should be excluded just because of their ethnicity. I would feel the same way if this were pertaining to a group specifically directed toward my hair type.
The very essence of “the natural movement” is self pride that was removed from us by a white power structure imposing white beauty ideals. So now that we are successfully freeing ourselves from such crippling beauty standards & taking charge of our own natural Black beauty, white ppl feel they must get a piece of the pie also? No. I don’t think so. Let us have something for ourselves just once. Please.
For so long, “white” was the natural standard default. Now they want to forget about that & act like they’ve been in the 400 yr struggle with us. How about no.
U r stupid! Not every black person has kinky hair therefore can identify with other races whose majority have fine/wavy hair. Natural isn’t a race but is hair in it’s “natural” state. Every race can have that!
And u have a white baby as ur profile pic but wanna speak racist words, smh. Hypocrite!
Here we go…
No, unless their hair is uncontrollable, called nappy headed or experienced backlash for their textured hair.
Lol, I’m just telling it like it is honey. The TRUTH. But you blacks are so stupid, always being blind to the TRUTH!!!
Fyi I have a little brother that is half white and black never had to deal with these issues before he know his black family says he black and he is 21. I think that you have the issue on how someone sees your child. Really I could care less my brother knows both sides love him and thats all that matters y’all are making into mor than what it is…
MY PROFILE , I can have white, black, Indian, Korean, any fucking person I want!
Yes. Most curly haired white women I know feel pressured to straighten their hair to look professional
Just curious, ummmm since they wanna join the movement what dramatic change are you gonna make, no more dye, change shampoo, which I never seen a shampoo say for white natural hair? Just wondering. And yes if it grows out your scalp it’s natural, but our naturals are different, and if your mixed with kinks then duhhh your considered natural if you dnt use chemical, but if your hair looks likes water running down a faucet (straight) and you dont need edge control for those baby hairs then please you can not be in what we african americans call natural club.
There’s no shampoo that says for black natural hair either.
My daughter is bi racial and she would have no business on her. She doesn’t have the same texture so she wouldn’t have advice to give. Me on the other hand I would. Because I’m allllllll black!!
I just never heard a white person say, hey girl im going natural or im natural.
That’s like asking a french speaking class to join a movement of a Portuguese speaking class
I thought natural was riding your hair or any chemical that would alter it’s natural stage. Now where did it say there were race stipulations? Cmon really? We as black women talk about how white women look at talk down to us but when we have the opportunity to rise above. What do we do?! Segregate ourselves … yep we’ve come a long way. Maya Angelou, Rosa Parks, all these great women who fault so hard for equality amongst women smh. But we teach our children something other than what we do ourselves. Terrible just terrible
Let’s be honest we would never have this movement if we never altered our hair. So, having that transition what would white people be able to help with?
It’s always racism when WE decide to love ourselves and embrace something that WE have struggled with for centuries. Everyone has an opinion and mine is that WE cannot ever overcome a struggle without someone else jumping on the bandwagon to say the struggle is theirs too.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
She didn’t say the struggle was hers. She said she had her own struggle with her hair, which was true. Besides, it was CurlyNikki who okayed the post anyway…shouldn’t the backlash be directed at her for letting this white woman post on such an exclusive site?
Girl you just summed it up!
But the struggle has never went away black men and women alike need to empower each other without feeling or letting others make them feel racist. Why when we try to embrace each other or uplift each other we’re being racist. I refuse to let any race make me feel wrong of uplifting my brothers and sisters it shouldn’t have to be this. This natural thing was started by black women so for other races including some of our own to criticize us for doing so is wrong in itself. I believe Natural movement is for black women. Doesn’t matter the shade and the texture of the black women hair. I started my journey and so much mor really plays into it. I also started a journey on black people history as well beyond slavery so to me my hair journey going natural is so much more.
White people’s hair is different. Curly or straight it’s handled differently than black hair. All they do is blow dry. Perms for them curl their hair & is not common in their community. Everything on the product shelf is catered to them making it hard for us. Natural for them is most likely not blow drying that day and letting their hair air dry. Our hair is different. It naturally grows coarse, thick and kinky. It’s not the same for them.
For years we have been immersed in the ways of (for lack of a better term), “white beauty” and hair care. Well, finally with all of the wealth of growing information out there about our natural hair (thank goodness), I think slowly our hair care is becoming less mysterious to a lot of other people. While I understand that her experience will never be the same as what many of us have experienced, is it so terrible that she is trying to find a way to relate. The opposite of that would be to embrace her ignorance about our experience(s) and I think we all see what years upon years of that has brought to race relations.
Separately, I have been somewhat amazed and at the same time touched by how since I cut off all my relaxed hair, quite a few of my white co-workers have been and continue to be just as excited about my hair journey as I have been.
Ummm why not if they are natural? Im confused
barely accpets kinky haired black women but wants to include white women im just going to stay in my lane
Helga Walpole…while I agree with what you said in your first comment…to respond to shorty by saying “you black”… That the problem with you…not all blacks think a lot…next time you’d like to make a statement cone correct and direct… Not put all blacks into one category n say we are blind to the truth…get it together sweety!!
I can sympathize with her but not empathize with her. Our stuggles are different. She was not psychologically scared by her mother telling her “come let me comb out your nappy head” etc. I work around children and actually heard a young black boy tell a little black girl “you so ugly! Your hair nappy and picky”.
Why not they rock tans, weave, and big fake butts. Keep it up white girls and you’re gonna run off the black men
Disclaimer: I’m going to be cruel.
Perpetrating hate and segregation on a stranger. Makes me as disgusted to read as when i hear racism spewed by the white supremacist. They very thing that got us here. Some of the women commenting sound just like dirty, nappy headed, n***a monkeys, As racist as your “white oppressors” who call you those things in the first place.
No. The natural hair movement is about BLACK WOMEN AND THOSE OF BLACK DECENT. . Embrace and find a way to love their natural hair. Never in life we’re white women told to straighten their hair or perm it because it was unprofessional or distracting. It was to the point were shampoo commercials would say “for all hair types” but you never see a black women in the commercial. They never called their hair natural before we started saying it so why jump on the bandwagon. We have fuller lips, they have to go get collagen, etc . If seems that we can’t have one thing to glorify without them trying to be all in the mix. Yes they have curly hair but they haven’t be apart of the oppression that we’ve encountered so NO .
Oh, indeed I will. Trust. Bigotry is just not tolerated, dear. Just stick to informing people about how to tend to their locks instead of stirring up hatred. But I understand. You got to get the people talking, even if it means turning people against each other. I get it. 😉 My one “unlike” isn’t enough to hurt your dear page or anyone else’s for that matter. Who am I, right?! Just another “sista”wanting to gaining knowledge on her 4C locks. Keep uplifting the masses if that’s what you call it. Stick to pre-championing recipes and things of that nature.:)
Why not if they are natural??
I’d say (without reading this article) that to say “natural hair is natural hair” is missing the point of the movement. It’s not that simple and basic. The most important element is that black women have been discouraged from displaying and being proud of their natural hair for centuries… Other races may have curly hair, but other races have not dealt with the centuries-long stigma associated SPECIFICALLY with black hair. To reduce the movement to literal hair-follicles is missing a HUGE part of the picture. White ppl can never be happy. They always have to infiltrate every fucking thing we do. #annoying
Joy Jaunty give us a break and stop an assss!
I consider ANYONE, regardless of skin color, who does not chemically process their hair in any form to be NATURAL. I consider Natural Hair as the state in which hair grows out of your scalp. So YES, women/men of any color can be “natural” or return “natural. Women/Men can have similar textures despite the race. The “struggle/experiences”, which I’m quite sure is different for every race or person, does not determine who can be natural. The natural hair movement is a celebration that all people can embrace. Although movement may have started in the black community, that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t inspire others to follow suit.
#MyOpinion
For all the newbies to “natural hair” who think they are so in trend now and think “natural hair” is only a black thing, think again. This is not black thing and why you feel the need to categorize it that way is the reason racism still exists in 2014. Something as stupid as hair creates unwarranted comments that translate to black/white. My family is every shade of white to black and I’m sorry to steal your thunder but my straight white family members who have curly hair have struggled with their curly hair. Instead of trying to claim this is your thing, open your mind and listen and learn from what they are saying. Because a white woman can identify/empathize with you newbies to natural hair, what’s wrong about that? Why do you have to claim something as black or white? Please!! In a few years you’ll be back to perming your hair because this a phase for the majority of you.
The black textured hair is beautiful and versatile. Other races are admiring it and wanting to do with their hair what we do with ours. See it as a form of compliment. Please inform me a little bit here? Is CN site for black females only. Is it an insecurity issue masking as a race issue. We are the most beautiful beings created by God. What is the problem. Just because the bully tells you u are not pretty does not make it a fact. I have had people tell me hurtful comments about my looks to bring me down out of jealousy. I simply cut them out & keep on stepping. Where are these raw emotions coming from?
No! Sorry for years our hair was ugly nappy and nobody liked it and now we are embracing it that’s what I thought the movement was about. So no they should not!
This is stupid. There’s no reason she can’t say she’s natural if she is. Instead of looking at it as white people trying to take over or push their way into something why not look at it as black people inspiring white people who’ve had hair fights with their natural growth to rock what they were given too instead of trying to conform to the straight hair society deems beautiful, which is ultimately the purpose of the natural movement. At least that’s what I thought. All these rude and racist comments toward white people. Get over yourselves. Black people shouting racism and then turning around and being racist themselves. Inclusion is a step toward closing the divide. But no, apparently natural needs to be separate. White people apparently need to create their own movement that’s similar but disassociated with black people. Separate but equal, right? Black people need to choose what they want. Do you really want to be equal or do you want be superior? I’m done.
i wish i could share this
No!
White people have natural or nappy hair too
This tireless, nonsensical bantor bores me to no end. *plays violin*
So basically these comments have come to say spending all that money on an education was pointless. Learning about something I loved was a waste… and apparently makes me racist. I joined this page to help me and my clients. Which by the way are all black women who I had to prove to that I knew how to care for and style their hair. But I’m white so that doesn’t matter. I’m out. I support natural hair weather you want me to or not. #sorrynotsorry
Naw, Kathryn Leger. That’s not the point. The commenters are not saying they have a problem with your support. They are speaking about websites dedicated to black hair being changed to multiracial websites. They’re talking about a movement, which is really pan-african, known as the “natural” hair movement. So, if you really love black hair, and you’re educated in black hair, then you should understand the history of black hair and why the commenters are saying how they feel.
If you get right down to it, the Natural Hair Movement is not about WHO can or should be considered natural. All people, regardless of race, can be natural if their hair is not chemically processed. It’s not about whose struggle is worse. It’s not about who’s “black” enough.
The REAL issue is which TEXTURE society deems acceptable. The REAL struggle is accepting our true hair texture and believing it is just as “Good” as every other (equal but different). It’s Texture that fuels discrimination and hatred in the grand scheme of things. To me the object of the movement is to enlighten those that think the straight or loosely curled hair textures are the only types that embody beauty. It’s about redefining the beauty industry. When all natural textures are accepted, the movement will be a success for all.
#AgainMyOpinion
#TRUTH!! I couldn’t have said it any better!!
Sounds like a lot of racism going on here. Telling some one they can’t do something or can not be included in a group because they are the wrong race, is what has happen to African Americans for years. We didn’t like it so why turn around and do the same thing. And not all African American have 4C hair so don’t use that as excuse why she can’t part of natural hair movement.
The Real Person!
Well in the real world unfortunately there are many groups that you cannot be included in because of your race. I will never be able to understand a natural redhead’s struggles with the sun so it wouldn’t be right for me to join their group and tell them about the occasional sunburn that I get. I think the main problem here is that there doesn’t seem to be a clear consensus on what the natural hair movement is. Some think that at its heart it is about black women finally celebrating our kinky curly coily hair and rejecting the white standards of beauty. On the other hand some people feel that the natural movement is just about wearing your unprocessed hair regardless of texture.
my opinion is natural hair is exactly that natural hair. In the real world no matter how you look at it, it’s racist. There are some African American women who have hair like her. If they were on the page would it be a big deal. Nope because she would have the right skin color. She probably couldn’t tell a lot of African American women about their hair. They would probably be telling her how pretty her hair is. But it’s just my opinion.
natural hair is hair thats not chemically processed. it shouldnt matter whos scalp its growing out of
White people can have anything they want as well as anyone else … they can start their own movement…they can give advice to each other just like we give advice to each other…Our movement is much more in dept…I myself have been dealing with my hair for many many years…what style to wear..what products to use…how to keep length…understanding how hair grow…questions about texture, shrinkage, etc…I speak with who I have something in common with and someone who understands what I am going through and dealing with….I am sorry but this is our struggle and I am looking for advice and solutions dealing with people with the same type of hair I have…I have been struggling for over 50 yrs…lol…finally founds some solutions by reading what other sistha’s have gone through…
Yeah..
African Americans complain about racism all the time. After reading the comments on this post, I’m sick to my stomach!
The counter-racism is horrific!
How can a people enslave their minds like this?
So what is known as the natural hair movement began in the black community. So what? Why is it wrong for a Caucasian to join in? Why is natural hair so political that it has got to belong to just one race?
Is everything you do African-American inspired? Come on!
This African girl is ashamed to read these comments!
Thank you! It’s pitiful!
I thought natural hair was a movement for black women…its not called being racist, its showing support to black women that was brain- washed by white society to change the natural look of herself and culture…they told you… you or your hair or skin wasnt good enough!! Open your eyes and look around…they are not for us…they try to steal everything…and something else for the black women that are still asleep…they are stealing our men and smiling in your face too! This means genocide! Wake up!!!
Amen
They don’t here you though.
Why we meats got to have something going for ourselves and include white people all of the time! Just like soul train! We start with our own dance show and the white folks started appearing on the show receiving praise!
I think its a joke. I know someone is trying to be funny. “White ppl have nappy hair?!” Really. Lololol
No. What for? This isn’t a club or a sorority. We are Black women who have suffered for years with our beauty and being accepted for the appearance God gave us. We have been made to feel less than and ugly. So much so that we internalized it and passed it down from generation to generation. I don’t understand why white people are always trying to over identify with whatever we do except when it comes to jobs, financial security or running the country. In those arenas they could care less “if we join hands and sing Kumbaya.” Yes, this is much deeper than hair.
No!!!!
Nope.Sorry.This is for Sistas only.
I’m Un subscribing from this page entertaining all this racist bullshit. It’s over this was last week. My comment will not make a difference but if this is the natural hair movement I’m out. This is why we can’t have anything nice because ignorance is running fluid through the black community if that’s what I dare call it. Shameful
I don’t think this topic is meant to be racist. Like black ppl are black ppl, white ppl are white ppl, point blank! There are some things white ppl can get by with that black ppl can’t and vice versa!! Black or white we all have different grades of hair, but I really think the natural hair is an African/black American thing.
Like ppl need to frickin realize that just cuz oh you say or ask a question about somebody white or somebody black it’s NOT BEING RACIST, it’s just ASKING A QUESTION or MAKING A STATEMENT! Like if someone is black…they are black…like that’s factual information and vice versa!! Ppl please get ya panties out of a bunch!!
For the people saying that white people NEVER have had to struggle with hair issues or have been called “nappy” i’d love to know where you got the cameras from that watch ALL white people all over the world? What about the white women who have curly, unruly hair and have probably been called “nappy” behind their backs by their own friends and family because their hair looks closer to ours than their straight haired peers? Or the white women who are bleaching the hair to death because the standard of white beauty is silky blond hair? Or the white people who get called dirty hippies because their hair naturally grows long and everybody around them suggests they should cut it? Or the white girls who get called greasy because their hair is oilier than their friends hair? Shall I go on? Do you think that white girl who has the big, bushy, unruly, curly hair has never been turned down for a job because of her hair being too “ethnic”? The little white girl with the same kind of hair who gets teased relentlessly by her schoolmates because her hair doesn’t look like theirs? And guess what, some of those white women conform to the standards around them but some say F**K THAT because they don’t see why they should change the hair that naturally grows out of their head because people don’t like it. While the issue with our natural hair may be deeper for us don’t dare say that white women don’t have some of the same struggles. Their hair may not be as “nappy” as ours but to those who criticize them behind their backs and sometimes to their faces, their hair is “nappy” enough. Did you ever wonder how it felt to not be beautiful enough, or blond enough, or silky enough to the people who supposedly set this white beauty standard when you are white? Lmao! We gotta think further than this black people. EVERYBODY has a struggle of some sort and to them their struggle is just as real.
No let her go form a white version of our natural hair movement, everything we have they want.
Black women have been told that we are ugly for hundreds of years. This site is a wonderful way to build up black women.
Yes her hair is natural. It’s a natural movement, not a black movement jeez. The racism is real…
I dnt see any thing wrong wit us white people well I’m Italian, but I have mix Kids an my hair ain’t like a white person hair, I like this sight cuz of ideals of hair styles an wat to use in hair. . I think that was Kinda racist..
No one on here is really racist. People just throwing around the word racist. We are saying we a superior just that we want at least a lifestyle started by us to stAy ours. Ignorant ( meaning: uneducated; narrow minded) are the people throwing around the word racist and misusing it, and that there makes me sick to my stomach. Racist is/was people being denied a job because the employer thought someone of a different RACE and or HAIR TEXTURE was better. Racism IS NOT defending what you believe. NO one is saying they can’t join the movement because they aren’t good enough or because we (black women) are better. So no, We are not racist. These comments making you sick? Go to the ER.
If we continue to separate ourselves from different ethnicities and races, we’ll never be united as one. I can see why a lot of you are so upset, but, just because she doesn’t have our struggles doesn’t mean she doesn’t struggle herself. Curly hair is not professionally accepted. Period. No matter the pattern or length. They, too, have to comb their tresses and physically make their curl pattern. They, too, have to deep condition and moisturize. She’s beautiful and her curls are amazing. United we stand. Divided we fall. The sooner you love yourself, the sooner you can accept and love all of God’s people! What if she were a quarter African American with the same texture, length and look? Would we still be having this same argument??? Grow up, ladies. We should be an example. -Natural and Proud
Of course she can, we (as blacks ) never want to be “left out or discriminated ” yet we do it so often .
Exactly! Can’t have it both ways…
Lol…the white man is the reason for black women going back to their roots movement. Getting us caught up with being embarrassed by our natural state of hair. Making and providing the chemicals to straighten it the tools to add on to have straight or wavy hair all because its been bred into us that our natural hair isn’t acceptable. So no I do not agree that white non black women shall share in our getting back to our roots movement. Just my opinion.
Sad……just sad and heart breaking to read.
no offense to anyone but when i think of natural hair pgs, groups etc its understood that these pages are about BLACK NATURAL HAIR. pages for black women to embrace and learn about OUR hair because our hair has been deemed unacceptable by mainstream culture and on a broader scale white culture. i would never try to join a site or page about tanning or asian hair..ijs
http://m.wikihow.com/Learn-to-Love-Your-Curly-Hair Well looky here! A whole damn wikihow article on how curly haired girls should love their hair despite the media and their peers making them think it’s ugly and guess who it’s geared towards, WHITE PEOPLE. This is for all that said they NEVER have to feel that way about their hair because they are the standard of beauty. Well, not all white women feel that way.
NO!!!!!!!
Yes, anything or anyone who promotes care of your natural hair is part of the natural hair movement
No sorry than they will want to change things around so nope!
If there are EVER any all white organizations/groups, we would scream “racism” and would rally until the said group(s) are put to an end. Sure their struggle isn’t the same, but we don’t have a right to exclude anyone. #1nation
Lol heyy girl 🙂
I think as a person it’s not right to say someone can’t join the natural community because of her race. Natural is no added chemicals in hair if she doesn’t have any chemicals in her hair then yes she is natural. Just like a couple of years ago in a segregation time period people didn’t accept others into their society because of something as small as race of course their are some outer characteristics that may come along with an ethnicity but that is to embrace yourself with, not to keep others out of a community. It’s not about what’s on the outside it’s on the inside trust me on the inside their is no such thing as race. And when your put to judgement on whichever higher being or religion race is not going to help you or worsen your case.
Believe or not some white people have kinky hair too. I’ve seen it personally. My answer is yes.
I’m black and natural but I find the curly conversation more helpful for my daughter because she’s mixed and has semi coarse curls. I wear mine in weaves or straightened. All curly hair types fit the natural hair movement because all curly hair people struggle with hair routines and putting down the flat irons. There’s my two cents!!! 🙂
She has always been natural…she was simply finally embracing it…
BTW white people love natural black hair its other black people who need to embrace it more!
I think anyone with textured hair (wavy,curly,coily,kinky) should be a part of the natural hair community. I also believe that a blogger should know the difference between “a part of” & “apart of” but thats just my opinion.
*sips tea* I thought I was the only one who caught that!!! LMAO
The question is simple since when white ppl have claimed happily “I’m natural or I’m going natural” ??!! So much hypocrites
Ok we can forgive those who just read “natural hair” and don’t look for the meaning behind
But everybody know there is a meaning behind that “natural hair”
It’s not being racist it’s just a common topic that belong to us BLACK PPL .
Yes curly girls united!!!!! The struggle is real for us all.
Yes anyone can. Period as long add it’s natural what does race have to do with it?
Natural hair is not exclusively for black women. It’s for anyone who doesnt chemically process their hair or wear extensions
Anyone who thinks white people can’t be apart of the natural hair movement are just plain ignorant. No way around it .
To me. Its not cool. We are excluded from all types of shit but are EXPECTED to be inclusive why? I have yet to see a non minority get fired over “natural” hair, to be told it looks unprofessional, dirty, unkempt, told to get relaxers or other dangerous chemicals just to “fit in”, or even ridiculed. Im not racist but damn! Can we have ANYTHING? Why can’t we embrace our beauty and differences?
This is why it’s hard for us to advance as a people always making excuses for why they can’t do things and blaming other people for their set backs.
Yes. Anyone with “natural” curls, kinks, or hair that is not the easiest to deal with should be apart of the Natural hair movement.
If you want it to be specific for Black women only, than maybe the name should be “Natural Afros” or “Roots from Africa”. I don’t think any other race has afros.
I am sooo sorry for this girl she had to wear buns and braids most of her life and now she can let her hair down. I’m glad she embraced her natural hair. #thestruggleisreal
Why not…they straighten & curl their hair as well however…when giving advice…there would be a certain demographic ur obviously gonna talk to.
Smh…
I agree that non-chemically treated hair is natural no matter whose head it is on. But, tips, tricks, pictures, and stories of a white woman’s natural hair does me no good. Not everything has to be embraced by everyone. How would white women react if Black women jumped in to the NaturalTanInformation.com forum?!? Our skin is completely different and what works for us may not be relevant for them….ijs.
Sure, why not? How can they change something they don’t no about!
YES!!!!! Black people aren’t the only race that straightens their hair or reconstructs their hair. Please stop being so ignorant.
Yes! White people can have tightly coiled natural hair & get those keratin straighteners
Yeah i dont know how i feel about this. Black people are sooooo thristy to have other accept our cause. Can’t we say yay we love our coily nappy curly hair without a white girl saying yes sister girl i feel your pain look at my loose shiny curly hair it’s just so hard to manage. But then again we are in a new inclusive society i guess.
I love people of all races, but I look to this site to be educated with people that have black hair recommendations.
We claim that we don’t like being excluded and then we exclude others. We claim that separate but equal wasn’t fair, but we want OUR stuff to be separate. We claim that it’s wrong to discriminate against someone because of the color of their skin, then we turn around and do it. It’s really, really silly and ridiculous!
Newsflash: White people aren’t going to take over natural hair blogs, vlogs, or forums!!!
Ugh!
This really ain’t about race or hating on any race… But the first and last time I checked… I’m pretty sure this page is called “BlackHairInformation.com” and that’s just what I’m expecting from it… Information about no other type of hair but black hair… Otherwise I’d be on another page that relates to all types of hair… And that’s all
Why not don’t most black women wear white women hair…lol Horse Hair…lmao
There are hair groups that won’t allow it. I’ll stick to those groups. Why are other black women calling others ignorant cause they don’t agree? Wait till those white women be laughing on the board…lol
I didn’t think this was a “black” girl natural movement, I thought it was a girl natural movement. I’ve seen a few white women who have curly, “kinky” hair and because their white family/friends have straight hair and don’t know what to do with it, why not let them into our forum. Why not give them some tips and tricks on how to manage their hair? Just like we have all kinds of hair types and not all products work on everyone’s hair the same, they might benefit and learn from us.
It’s just hair, if a white woman/women want to jump on the bandwagon more power to them. Why should/would this take away from mine, yours or anyone else’s journey?? As for having something that’s ” just ours for once”…you do and it’s growing out of your scalp! Lol. But seriously, your hair journey is just that YOURS, and no one can take that away from you. And for the record, black people are historically trendsetters, history makers, and inventors so it should not be any surprise to see “others” jump on the bandwagon. Nothing wrong with wanting to be one of the cool kids 😉
Why not? Maybe she’s chemical free! ….some of you will go to your graves bitter and angry at everyone who does it better than you…pathetic!
Why do we confuse black identity uplift with racism? One thing I can truly say that has affected me along with millions of other little black girls is the politics of color and image. Until we deal with it in house we won’t be able to tackle the external beauty barriers that awaits us.
Silly.
My turkish friend and I were out one day when this black guy just decided he was gonna touch her hair because her hair was so curly it was virtually an afro and I think he thought white person with afro hair gotta know if it’s real. Anyway my friend was not pleased and made a point that if he had hair and a white person did that to him he’d say it’s racist. But my point is plenty of white girls do have hair issues similar to ours I have another friend that wears extensions and straightens her hair maybe twice daily because of how curly her hair gets. It’s not just a black issue it’s most common with black females but other people have hair issues too
The question should be “Why are we, African American women so willing to allow others share our new found space of self restructuring?” For centuries, we have been ridiculed about our looks. It now has become a fashion trend to have curly, kinky, natural hair and instead of focusing on lifting each other up, we want to invite Caucasins and Lations to the “party”? Really… that says more about the desruction done to our self esteem since the time we’ve been here and subjected to their opinions of us than anything else.
Please say it again–I don’t think they heard you…
Black women who wear wigs/weave/braids: You can’t sit with us!
Black women who heat straighten: You can’t sit with us!
Black women who color: You can’t sit with us!
Black women with short 4c hair: You can’t sit with us!
Black women with long 3c hair: You can’t sit with us!
White women: Come on in!
#teamnatural is all about inclusion, yet black women have to donate a kidney and sacrifice their first born sons in order to qualify? Oh, ok…
Y’all don’t know it yet, but white folks don’t even need to actively promote division, shame, or self-hatred among us anymore. Y’all are in here working overtime on their behalf.
I am fine with it.
Why not? Anyone can, I guess I don’t think it’s that deep
Let’s get real. Inclusion should be a necessary part of the curly revolution, however the real issues for us are not directly about black hair, they’re about the situations caused by it; so why not talk about those issues? Talk about the school leaders who rejected us, talk about the manufactures that make poor quality products, voice the concerns about the law schools that reject curly black hair because it’s not “traditional.” Going to battle with a curly sister, who is a different race only makes our separation greater, when the real problem of our struggle is because we were NOT included. Food for thought.
We black people must not drop our standards to that of racist people. Yes we have been through slavery and all the rest of negative experiences that continue to hinder our growth as a people but we have to be bigger than our struggles. If a girl has curly/ kinky hair no matter what colour she is this should be a welcoming forum. Black is not just our colour it’s our identity from inside.
Of course she can! All cultures have had trouble accepting their curls. If she is choosing to embrace her natural hair the way God gave it to her, then that’s awesome. So many of you are hating for no reason….
Yes they can, natural hair is not black/African American hair… natural hair is non chemical processed hair.
Her hair is obviously CURLY so yes…Omg everything is a problem.
Hell no!!!
If you’re not using chemicals to alter your hair pattern, you are au naturale!!!
Natural hair is natural hair no matter the persons race, color, or the texture of their hair
Change the name from natural hair movement since soooo many people have a problem with it. People act like this is a cult.
I think everyone commenting that race has nothing to do with hair is ignoring the base issue. ANYONE, Black, White, Asian, Latin, Native American, male or female, can have hair struggles. Those struggles can be with aesthetics or health and styling. But the challenges faced by people of African descent surrounding their hair go MUCH, MUCH deeper than that. The historicity of afro-textured hair being deemed “less than,” “ugly,” “unkempt,” “unmanageable,” in just in general “BAD,” cannot be denied. No other group of people has been forced to go through that for as long as we have (and largely still are). No other group of people has to battle the generational subconscious stigmas that we have about ourselves. This is why the natural hair movement was not intended for people not of African descent. Again, this isn’t meant to belittle the personal hair struggles of anyone else, but they simply don’t compare. What inspiration can I draw from a white woman with curly hair who has never been told by anyone outside herself that there was anything wrong with it? Or from a white woman whose only experience with chemical hair care was in coloring? From white women who have never had an issue growing their hair to any length they want, even if it was damaged?
While yes, anyone can be natural, and indeed I believe all people SHOULD be as natural as possible, not just with hair but with all aspects of their lives, to be a natural person of color entails an entirely different experience and perception than any other person with natural hair, with unique challenges to overcome. It is only called a MOVEMENT because of people of color. I’m sorry, but no one would notice if all the white women with curly hair just started taking slightly better care of their hair. But it DEMANDS attention when people who previously were only seen with weaved, wigged, short, shaved, broken, see-through, damaged, pitiful, IMITATION STRAIGHT, hair start shifting to the opposite end of the hair spectrum in droves, no matter what threats they may face from employers, no matter what unsupportive or downright disdainful significant others may say, no matter what their mothers, grandmothers, and coworkers say. That is a group of people coming together to move their shared challenges out of the way. White women, simply don’t share OUR challenges that allowed this “movement” to exist in the first place.
natural hair is natural hair whether that be on a white, black, Indian or Asian head for that matter
natural hair is natural hair
anyone can be natural, no matter the color of your skin. its about HEALTH not race.
Waits for an angry black woman to rage on this post. It’s inevitable
Straight up no
Sigh….again we display a desire to continue to be segregated. Natural is defined as hair that is not chemically altered to be different from it’s nature. That applies to all colors, just like a natural makeup look does. The colors of makeup we wear differ from color to color just like our hair sometimes does, but we all have a natural state. You want to talk about a natural movement and the struggle of black women. Our hair isn’t the problem for us. It’s part of the problem, but only part. The actual issue for black women is the color of our skin, how often we go right ahead and play into stereotypes (like now), how we choose to carry ourselves, and how we choose to display ourselves. You get angry “we can’t have nothing!”, which is a statement that displays the level of pure narrowmindedness that continues to hold us back. Why not step up with pride and acknowledge the fact that our decision to learn to love our natural hair has started a worldwide movement that transcends color. Women EVERYWHERE are coming to realize that they can be beautiful without tons and tons of surgeries, perms, wigs, weaves (which we all wear, regardless of color). Don’t get me wrong. Racism is real and prevalent. Bu we don’t always have to continuously feed the divide. Especially not in matters of appearance. No one is denigrating the position and struggle of black women in America. But she was INVITED to share her experience. And if we are this rude to someone who is, for all intents and purposes, a guest in our world, we have sunk as a people. She doesn’t have to be one of us to have self esteem problems where her curly hair is concerned. Just once, let’s allow something to be a movement for WOMEN, a progression of WOMEN, a joining of WOMEN. Color doesn’t always need to be an issue.
Why we black ppl can’t have something wit out the white ppl wanting to be apart of it
And why does everything have to be a movement???!!!! Can’t we just DO something? Does it always have to be a big deal. Natural hair acceptance is good, but this so-called movement….Must we always be militant about everything. It screams rallies and protests and anger. Going natural should be about learning to love yourself, not learning to hold the fact that your mother decided to perm your hair against the rest of the nation. We need to stop holding on to all this rage about things that a lot of us, if you ladies were completely honest, have never personally experienced. Getting all up in arms about things when we don’t know all the sides is unwise. Frequently we can end up looking silly. Just sayin.
When you sleep with dogs you wake up with fleas. I said that to say this is an opportunity for someone to benefit monetarily from the natural movement. It starts out as beig subtle and with good intentions. Instead of making a fuss just ignore it and her until she goes away. White’s made friends with Africans in order to get slaves. Just saying. Be silent and watch. Speak and act when it’s time to do so and be intelligent when you do it. Don’t let your emotions take over.
How is she preventing black women from getting whatever info they need? If we stop identifying ourselves by our physical attributes maybe we will realize that it really isn’t a big deal if a white woman with curly hair wants to chime in on the curly hair blog. IT’S FREAKING HAIR! Black women want to cry about being excluded and overlooked but we want to exclude people. She might have something nice to say. White people deal with chemical processing as much as black people. It’s about knowledge sharing not exclusivity.
I’ve had more negativity regarding my natural hair from black women than any other group. So don’t act like all black women have my best interest in mind.
There are bigger issues in this world than whether or not a white woman should be accepted on a natural hair blog.
So petty. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. Please find a way to get over yourselves and proceed with real life.
Can I love you forever???!!!!!???? Lol
This is one of the most ignorant questions I have heard; simply because it is not your SKIN color that defines your hair it is your genes/DNA and ancestory.
Thank you!!!!!! I guess because ethnically speaking I’m Hispanic/Latina (mother Panamanian father Mexican) I can’t be apart of the movement, but then again I can because I have a fair skin complexion I meet the requirements? Sounds crazy right?
Its nonsense what it is.
If they want but this is black hair problems
actually, each person has their own decisions to make in life. you knew those were chemicals. you can smell how strong they are the moment you open it! You cannot blame other people for your own choices.
I don’t understand why can’t the movement of natural hair be for ALL women? Why can’t we teach the next generation of girls to just love themselves PERIOD and rock the look God gave each individual with pride? Why does there have to be such a separation defined by COLOR when in reality every woman struggles with something about herself 🙁 This is so sad all of the racial barriers each race has against another. Bitterness upon bitterness and hatred is consumed with keeping up the walls of letting any other ethnicity join in a movement… I wonder how white people who were beat and killed along with the blacks to fight for equality in the 1960’s felt back then… it’s not a black or white thing, it’s a human thing.
Now compare that number to how many blacks that have and still being beat and killed for equality so don’t go
There
Thank you for proving my point.
Why do they have to interfere in EVERYTHING!!!! Can’t we create somethings for ourselves. They have plenty of groups and counsels that they would NEVER have a black person be apart of. They are not afraid to say hell no!!! But us here we go….. why yes mass!!! I say hell no!!!
Get this white woman off of our site. She is as ridiculous as the people defending her and she is no different than the people who will say, “not everyone is religeous so take down the cross”, not everyone is American so remove the Pledge of Allegiance”. The fact that she acknowledges that she has other sites to go to but still insists on forcing her white face and white opinions into our world speaks loudy and clearly for itself. I bet if you try to remove her or omit her she’ll start quoting constitutional laws as to why she must be included, I’ll bet you that. Her opinion serves no purpose other than her sick need to force herself into a scenario where she is not welcomed or wanted. Period.
I think the point is being missed here…. Black women did start straightening their kinks and coils because it was more socially acceptable. Call it what you want but we all relaxed or straitened our kinks because it most socially acceptable and so called prettier. Let’s be honest with ourselves. We all were tricked, hood winked and bamboozled about our hair. period point blank.
Sure. If your hair grows out of your head and there is no chemical to alter the texture then yes you are natural and you should be included whether its bone straight or Kinky. This forum is based for Black naturals because we are starting to take care of our hair in the natural state in which it grows and it’s hard to relate to someone who is no where near your hair texture than if the person was around the same vicinity. I think all curlies ( no matter the race) should have a place to talk and relate and swap remedies and stories, or even a place where parents who have curlies can go to learn like that one website Chocolate Care Vanilla care. That’s great and that lady has taught me a lot. I’m not really about keeping people out who want to be apart of it out. I feel that if they learn then they will spread the knowledge and then hopefully it will spread and it would be more accepted and not so, “A black person with long hair and no weave”! (Clutch my pearls) sort of thing. I have to say that the product that has done the best on my kinky curly hair is Jessies’s Curls and that was is a white woman’s product. I was pleasantly surprised. I do have a friend that has kinkier hair then me and she would relaxed and Brazilian blow out her hair as well and we both are going through being natural and its fun. A little weird, but fun. There is a whole lot of other negative things going on in the world then just worrying that white women and possibly other races want to be considered. ladies if you don’t feel welcomed on the natural site come on over and say high to me. I don’t have a site, but I’d like to meet ya swap some stories.
White women have natural hair whether it’s curly or straight, the purpose of the natural hair movement is the women of color are letting go of the so called image of beauty straight hair, weaves, and wigs. So no it’s not for white women they haven’t had the same struggle
There are too many real and hidden race issues out here for people to be so overly concerned with something like this. There is so much going on in the racism department for blacks and whites and everybody else. Why make this an issue.
I understand that we want to embrace our natural selves the way God created us. I get that. But why does that mean using hate to treat others the way we don’t want to be treated.
Let’s not make every issue a “them against us” thing. We are not fighting for our lives. We’re talking about hair issues.
So blacks and other groups are getting beaten out here. So should the response be to exclude everyone else from everything else?
Maybe since my hair isn’t how I identify myself, I’m not getting it. People act like there’s some spiritual connection with their hair. I don’t have that so….
Of course the movement can be inclusive of all races. Hair straightening, extensions, and wigs are not exclusive to black women, and it has never been. If a white woman decides she wants to embrace her true hair texture vs Keratin treatments, curly perms, etc, who am I to judge!
To me the idea that this is such a huge issue is unreal. It reminds me of growing up and “educating” people who assumed because I am mixed that my hair is “good hair”. That my hair “naturally” is 3A or less.
Wake up people, a stereo type is a stereo type. Not everyone fits into the same mold or hair regiment. If an individual can classify their hair they same way we do…then let them and stop talking smack. If they are, lets call it “being green”, then that’s not the same. Natural Movement in our African-American culture to me is not defined by just our hair. Period end of story.
I think everyone is missing the main point. There is a difference in between putting a stop to perms, relaxers and weaves. Being natural is just like being a vegan for anyone it’s a choice and way of life to choose not to follow the crowd and be healthy. Any woman that is not African American can wear their natural hair curly or straight without any prejudice and condemnation. The Natural Hair Movement is movement for African American women who are saying no more will we be ashamed of our natural texture because people are saying its not worthy of Corporate America, unprofessional or ugly. That’s where the misconception comes into play they were not told they could not wear their natural hair or that its unprofessional and needs to be changed. We as blacks have also adapted the same mentality to judge ourselves. So its a liberation movement for us No more relaxers and harsh chemicals to become what white america has deemed beautiful because we are all beautiful.
not to look like them but to be accepted by them
I don’t get the fuss about people speaking against a white woman and her curly hair struggle. All these blogs are about black women and their struggle with accepting their hair. It goes even deeper as accepting our hair means accepting that our skin colour may not be the right one. The unspoken cannot be ignored. These blogs are for black women, their hair, and their self esteem. It matters not how much we want to put labels or categorize. We are black women learning to accept ourselves by accepting our hair. Nothing is wrong with us wanting it to remain all about us. For hundreds of years we have been treated as second rate, what is wrong if we find ways to build our selves up. I am happy that we have blogs, TV stations, magazines and many other things just for us. I am tired of the talk about white people; I don’t care about them and their struggle. They can never understand mine, only another black woman can. I boldly state that a white woman cannot be a part of a natural hair movement. I need my sisters for this one as only they can understand.
Natural hair sites and even youtube videos that I watch are by black people that I think I can learn something from. I’ve rarely (if ever) simply taken advice on hair care from anyone outside the black community. While I admire some of the hair styles they achieve, it’s rare for me to even be interested in the hair challenges of my caucasian friends (although I wish them well). But, I DO care about the hair challenges of black people because I can generally relate and once they’ve found a solution, I have hope (whether the same works for me or not). I’d like to see caucasians post about their struggles / victories on curly dot com sites; just really not black hair sites.
That said, I think there’s nothing wrong with Curly Nikki being totally about natural curlies (of all races). This “turn” just reclassifies the site as a truly curly dot com that does not only spotlight black hair. I hope this site as well as other black hair sites will not do the same. It is really nice having a place where you know you’ll see black hair (whether mixed or 100% black). The type of support we get here is incredible as so many of our lives have had tremendous positive impact especially in the area of self love. Just my opinion.
There is a history to the natural hair movement that white people cannot understand. Wearing wigs, because you’ve been told your hair is too nappy to grow or breaks too easily to grow past a few inches. Choosing a father for your children based on his curl type, because your children have to live with the outcome. Being fired from jobs. Being called racist names. Being discriminated against based on your “blackness”… I learned that the natural hair movement is a uniquely black movement, a moment in history when black women are reclaiming their right to be seen as beautiful… exactly as they were born. As a woman who has often referenced CurlyNikki, I was completely unaware of any of these issues. As a mind disinclined to prejudice, I was completely unaware that black women had been treated this way. I didn’t have to be. I am white.
I am very much for inclusion, but this is an important platform. This argument/discussion should be used to educate, BECAUSE many other races have curly hair and have never faced these issues. This is the perfect platform to spread awareness due to the very dichotomy of experiences! I’ve been seen as unkempt, low class or unintelligent, but I’m not those things. They hurt, but they do not attack my inner sense of self. A person being attacked because their hair is too much of exactly what they are is being attacked on a whole different level. The natural hair movement is saying that it is beautiful to have black hair. It is beautiful to be exactly who you are… for people who have spent generations being told that their very existence is ugly. As a white woman who now considers herself educated a bit, I am very comfortable supporting the movement without identifying with it.
Perception is key…just because one has not had the same experience as someone else does not mean that she or he is not natural. Again, perception is key, however being “natural” is about embracing yourself, no matter how it is represented…EMBRACE yourself, EMBRACE others, EMBRACE all NATURALS no matter the form….let’s be open minded here….this is how we end discrimination, by acceptance… EMBRACE = ACCEPTANCE!
Thank you Latasha!
my first thoughts were no,white women can’t be on a hair journey but then after careful reflection,I feel of course they can. Hair health is not racially exclusive but their hair needs are not ours and as a race their hair grows alittle faster than ours, so whatever………..let’s all share the knowledge
I think the best thing to do regarding this white chick is stop talking about her and Curly Nikki. We should promote black business/blogs/products, celebrate black hair and the black people who wear it. This natural hair movement has obviously become popular and lucrative. All of this was and is a ploy to take the movement in another direction and I refuse to fall for it. This is an old issue, like anybody who is jealous of the attention another is getting, especially if it’s in an area that they can’t really touch/aren’t a part of. This whole thing will die out as soon as we move on from it. I’m moving on….
I have naturally curly hair. I grew up in the Deep South. Everytime I search naturally curly hair on Pinterest or Google all I see are beautiful African American women and a few white girls with curly or mostly iron curled hair. I am so tired of the segregation in this county. Guess what? I want to know how to do my hair! And my hair is different from African American hair because I’m white. So where do I search curly white girl hair and find something other than flat iron curls or curling wands or crispy “wish I had natural curl” curls? I’m so sick of African Americans telling me I can’t have natural curls like them or cook greens and cornbread or beans and ham hocks because I’m white. God did not make us to be so indifferent to one another. I treat people with kindness and respect and I hope I get that in return. I don’t say that any person with melanin in their skin can’t eat perogis, or know how to make a killer spaghetti sauce! This is all garbage! Stop perpetuating and feeding into the segregation of any culture! We are all God people and guess what…there’s only one heaven so y’all better just get over it because we are all stuck together for eternity and I am certainly not going to be worried about who gets to teach who how to do my friggin curly hair while I’m standing at the pearly gates!
Of course, why not everything else we do that’s a”sister” thing becomes euro-cultural. Not just in the aspect of natural hair care; but in the form of a community in which we educate and support each other via hair care, do I think so. ….um not. Sorry
I don’t see why not. If she is looking for natural alternatives for hair care or if she has a mixed race child, our community is the perfect place to start.
I don’t understand why black women cant keep things exclusive to themselves. White women’s “natural” state was never questioned nor disrespected so why must we include them in a movement that will NEVER be fully understood and appreciated by them?
True!
Because for majority of black women going natural was not to embrace their natural state of hair but instead to jump on the band wagon of the current fad.
Not saying I don’t understand what you’re saying but why does everything have to be about black and white. I have white friends that have been taught to hate their naturally curly hair because it ain’t straight enough or doesn’t lay right.
The majority of us went natural because we decided to accept the hair that God gave us and no longer wanted to subscribe to Caucasian standards of beauty. There is no place for white women in the natural hair movement.
Do you really understand what you’re saying? You are essentially saying that black people should self-segregate themselves. People are talking about how we are discriminated against and how no one else will understand our struggle. Yet when white people try to relate to us or join us in this so-called movement, they get shut down!
Julia Valdary This is entirely what I’m saying. “They have no place here” It’s just disgusting. “Why should we include them in a movement that will NEVER be fully understood and appreciated by them?” THEY ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SAY? They will never understand because of ignorant people who say things like this. It’s all so backward
I think we need to learn the truth behind why they want to be down. They only flock when they see dollar signs. And as for segregation… Well we need to get some real black history on that system and what it really looked like for black folks…..
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I call b******t, Shoronda, exclusivity my ass, lol, please I got some knappy ass hair,now what? Youngsters,lol………
Hey, Loving our sons, I love my son just as much, and I love his knappy ass hair an his daddys knappy ass hair. Ya’ll f*****g kill me with this exclusivity s**t,bwhahaha!!!!!! But ok…..
Hey, Loving our sons, I love my son just as much, and I love his knappy ass hair an his daddys knappy ass hair. Ya’ll fucking kill me with this exclusivity shit,bwhahaha!!!!!! But ok…..
Wow, just, wow, I am available should ANYONE care to discuss……..
But will I recieve any comments……..I seriously doubt it……….I’m game if you are?
Ya’ll just babies, lol, you’ll learn……..eventualy….
ANYONE………I didn’t think so……
No, I thought for sure that would stir someone’s ire…….Hmmmmm,I must be loosin’ my touch. Look girls,I’m sorry someone made you feel bad about your natural hair, really, but don’t exclude someone just because of their race, gees ya tryin to set s**t back further, c’Mon now hell………
I got some knappy ass hair, and whether someone else likes it or not,I have to reffer to info pages like this cause white people can’t do anything to MY hair but cut the s**t, so get off you exclusive high horse and start talking some damn hair……
Well said
Firstly, calling someone ignorant because they don’t share your stance or opinion is grossly ignorant, being that you’re identifying an opinion not an actual fact. Secondly, de-segregation was the biggest foul black ppl could have ever fallen for, mainly because we should abandon the idea that we need white ppl to VALIDATE who we are! Build yourselves up, stop depending on your competition to help you make it to the finish line. YES! This is a competition you might not want to admit it but WE compete with each other, I’m embarrassed to admit but it’s real EVEN when we don’t want to compete! Thirdly, you must open your eyes, open your ears and join REALITY. This place is only driven by greed and jealousy, however some have accepted this reality but somehow have developed the strength and mastered their approach of making things better. I will stand my initial comment and will not fall to the ignorance that has kept SOME our sisters and brothers delusional for hundreds of years. I don’t believe all [white] folks are bad (black folk included) because I don’t judge but I’ll remain cautious and stedfast and let GOD sort them out.
I have a few friends that practically have Afros and they are judged for their hair texture. There are standards of so called “good hair” in white communities as well.
I don’t find it offensive or racist that black women want a place of their own or things of their own. I feel you have unique needs and unique obstacles to overcome, especially in the American beauty industry.
I will say that the statement that white women’s hair has never been questioned or disrespected is patently untrue. I will say straight haired women’s hair has never been questioned (save the entirety of the late 80’s).
I have curly hair. Incredibly curly hair- 4bish. I have fought it my whole life because that European standard of beauty is applied to me as well- and I don’t look like that. I have recently made the stand against straightening my hair. I chopped off all my damaged hair and am starting to grow it out and care for it with love. No color and no flat iron.
That being said, I understand our situations are not comparable because my white privilege affords me other areas in the beauty industry where I don’t feel ostracized. I think it’s totally fine to have a natural black hair movement but overall I feel a lot of women could benefit from embracing the natural hair movement.
But this is one of those on-going issues between black feminists and white feminists. I feel this is a woman’s issue. Women against the beauty industry that controls us- but where do black women’s voices get heard if they don’t insist upon their own place? I understand the dilemma. Not sure about the solution.
Indeed.
I don’t think so. I’ve enjoyed the comfort of sharing stories and tips among women that share my unique hair texture. Our struggle is not the same as her struggle. I have no problem creating or joining a separate blog to share healthy hair tips but black “natural” should stay separate and exclusive.
I don’t understand why there needs to be this exclusiveness for black women and their hair. At the end of the day, we all know that there is no hair like black hair anyway so why exclude others who have similar hair types. I think this white lady being featured is awesome because if anything, it shows how much we have have in common with other races. Just because you’re black doesn’t mean you have the right to discriminate against others!
Shut up..
O_o what is your problem!
You are right about that, none like it!!!
No on the contrary, black women are the ones discriminated against on a scale white women will never endure. No matter how curly a white woman’s hair is, no one will tell her it’s dirty or ugly looking. Why can’t black women just have these spaces to themselves? Isn’t the world white enough already? Even in black countries (Africa) straight/white hair is seen as the ideal…
The natural hair movement is gaining mainstream popularity and now everyone wants a piece of it. The moment it ceases to be so all these people will back away.
I agree with you to some extent in that white women will always be thought of as having “good hair” no matter how bad they look. Having a place to talk about Black hair is one thing but saying that other races can’t be in on a place that is a place for curly hair textures is something entirely different. If the page was targeted towards black women, obviously a white woman should not be allowed or would even want to be allowed (seeing as how she’s not black). But this site is obviously not specific in its racial preference.
I never understood why black people put their guard up when they see other races copying their hairstyles or trying out a different music genre that isn’t stereotypically white. I have always looked at it as pure admiration for our beautiful race. Obviously they’re trying to be like us if they’re modifying their look!
Well said Julia valdary.
Julia Valaday the movement was created by us for us. I am sick of you sellout n****s always need to include other races in our s**t. That’s why we don’ t have nothing now
The iggy azelia of the black hair movement.
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No. They don’t have the natural hair troubles that we do. They are validated every single day of their lives. I love all people but I’m a black woman and I know a lot of our struggles. They can’t relate. They don’t stand a chance of somebody side-eyeing them because of their natural hair style. Too many black girls, black boys, black women, and black men have been discriminated against because of their locks or fros or certain natural hair styles. Threatened to lose a job, bullied at school. Get your own movement chicas.
Thank you everything we do becomes euro-cultural
And then it’s acceptable when they do it. White chicks gone. Bye Felicia.
I agree. Everyone suddenly wants to be part of it because it’s gaining mainstream popularity. There’s still a lot of negativity and even pain behind black natural hair, something white women no matter the texture of their hair will never understand or experience.
Even in African countries that are homogeneously black (I’m Nigerian) white hair is still seen as the ideal. In the past 2 or 3 years more women have embraced their kinks, but we still cannot wear it to work (in certain professions), contestants in out Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria pageant, have to wear weaves, they are not allowed to wear their own hair, we still hear stuff like ,’why is your hair unkempt?’, ‘are you broke?’, ‘you need to relax it to look more professional’ etc…. why can’t black women just have these spaces for themselves?
Bullshit, they don’t,lol……ya’ll must not know any nice whitefolk. Depending on who you talk to, I am white as the driven snow……until you get to my hair. I follow this page for that reason, hair. And I do mean a lot of it………so um YEAH, white chics got hair,do,hair,love hair. Talk to some of us,then maybe you won’t feel the need to be “exclusive” and just be hairy,lol….
And that sounds like some black folk saying shit like that, learn to love yourself…..then your hair will only be an extension of self. But I’m white so I couldn’t possibly know zilch about hair, right,lol……gurrrrrrl/bruuu,pleasssssse………….
Try loving your self , who cares what other people think bout cho shit…….knappy, curley, flat ironed, weave,no weave, tracks, exstensions, micro braids, do-do braids, crocheted braids, naturals, cornrows, freeze, which you look too young to know about, pincurls, wedge, stacks, curl stacks, box, bobs, ………………see my point………perhaps you finding a common ground here might be more to the point,don’t you? So after you get over fear, and take a look at the mop I got, and then tell me I don’t need some blackhair majick on my head,why don’t ya,lol? My shit, it gets knappy as hell,lol………..
Trust and believe, some of us do TOTALLY understand, there is beauty in all, it is on you to dig deep enough to find and see it within yourself.
You ARE beautiful. True beauty comes from within.
Oh, and yes,I know that “side eye” very well.
I also know that go-to-hell-f$$$ you look too, thats the look YOU give to the side-eyein’ muthaf$$$$$, lol………
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Agreed!
b******t. white people curls still dont amount to the kinks we have at cheri jacoby so save that s**t u talking.
I’m not one to discriminate but….I unliked the Naturally Curly page because it had more info regarding natural hair for 3C and above. That includes white women. Face it, this is black hair information. A white woman cannot tell me anything about my hair. Sometimes I think us 4C ladies get no love.
Black women or black people in general can’t have anything to keep to ourselves. She can start her own page for Caucasian women with natural hair lol. Unless she’s mixed with black. I’m just saying. Let’s keep it real I’m not going to a Caucasian women to get my hair done when she knows nothing about how my hair works.
I know several white women who do black ppl’s hair. And they do a great job. Hair is hair and anyone who has had the proper training can do it.
I understand hair is hair and anyone can do it with proper training. The white women you know that do hair are they just washing and flat ironing hair?
But, Heather Pearl, once those black clients leave that white hairstylist’s chair, that is IT for her. SHE is not told how to wear here hair at work, she is not asked ridiculous questions like “can I touch your hair” she is not threatened to discharged from the military because of how many braids, locs or cornrows she has. Honestly, they just don’t have the same struggle.
I don’t think so because part of the journey is embracing who you are and letting go of what society (white folk) says you have to look like. They are STILL harassing us about our hair. Telling us our naturals are not corporate looking, one teacher cut off a little girls braids, the military is telling our sisters they can’t wear cornrows, locs, braids and twists. A white woman choosing not to color oe perm her hair IS NOT the same thing, NOT the same journey, and NOT the same struggle. They cannot relate so them trying to be a part of what WE have is BULLSHIT! They never had to assimilate for the sake of a job to get by,. t’s just BS to me!!!
Well doesn’t it defeat the purpose I’d you turn around and become the “black folks” who say no you can’t keep your natural hair cos you are white yet you buy European weaves and straighten out your hair and no one dare say one word to you. Well love it only makes you ignorant hateful and racist..and jealous
Blacks cannot be racist, we aren’t in control of the power structure that protects whites. Get your facts straight. I agree with your comment Andrea Simpson-Jones, everything Blacks say, do, or have anything to do with Whites co- op the s**t. Just plain & simple, they need to stop hijacking our s**t & do their own thing. They don’t include Blacks in their hair stuff, magazines, or standards of beauty.
Ada Obiwulu: You need to remove all those fake plastic braids before you can criticise anyone for wearing weaves. Most of the people on this blog is natural and wears their real hair out, do you? Regardless, your argument is moot and unintelligble. You know nothing of the struggle of AA women and yet you run your mouth. You need to stick some dirt in it and be silent beause you’re just making yourself seem very foolish and naive.
First of all Ada Obiwulu, you don’t even know me to call me ignorant OR racist – I’m merely responding to question on a post on facebook. This is not a Roberta Flack song – you cannot tell my whole life by a comment. However, you Africans are always saying dumb shit. Nothing you commented on, relates to anything I said in my comment. So what the hell are talkimg about?!!! You’re comment is all rhetoric. I didn’t say anything about wearing weave, straightening hair buying hair, girl, your comment is just off to the left! Learn how read!!!
I am so shocked by these comments….. Natural hair isn’t just something black women have. Anyone who excepts there natural hair texture has natural hair. I’m not down playing the struggles African Americans go through at all, almost all my friends are black, my husband is black and my children are mixed, but at the same time some of these comments are just carrying on the evilness in this world. When perms were in and everyone wanted straight hair, you were embracing a hair style that was from different races and that’s fine. Mixing cultures is beautiful. If you hate being discriminated against and then turn around and discriminate then your no better
I hear your point ,,, But we embraced a culture that was forced on us and was told that if we did not have long hair, or straight hair we were not beautiful. So this is a sisterhood of more concious woman who are coming into a self love, and doing away with westernized stigmaz of beauty. Discrimination, i think not but when ever the black queen comes into a realization of self importance, we have to share our struggle. I highly doubt you were told that you were not beautiful if your hair was not straight?. You by default have become a part of our community because of your black husband and mixed children, so i see how you feel some kind away about these comments, but you will never know the real stuggle of how image has been a dominating force in this sisterhood… Peace #noshade
Christa Foster I am so sorry for the ignorance and backward-thinking that you are having to face just because of your skin color. Majority of these women are so singleminded that they cannot see how they are blocking out people trying to understand and just wanting to be a part of a movement about women embracing themselves. You do not have to be black to fully understand the struggle. You just have to have basic human empathy for others.
You are so kind Sharonda Adams
Christa Foster Thanks you:) All people are poeple and as seen in this post racism goes all over the rainbow. I’ve chosen to speak against injustice in all it’s forms when it comes to ignorance lol.
Im the same way! I will stick up for any color when wrong is wrong.
I think that white women’s place in the natural hair movement, and they do have a place, is in a respectful space of allied understanding and listening. “I understand that black people have a unique struggle with the way their hair has been perceived by the systems in power through history”. “I understand this because I have had my own struggles with systems of power and beauty standards that may not include my type of beauty”. “I understand that this movement was created for people with certain marginalized hair textures to share their stories, struggles, and embrace themselves.” “I understand that I can be included in this conversation but I do not own it, it is not about me”. “I understand that the black experience is unique and even if I marry a black man and give birth to black babies Our experiences will ALWAYS be separate and different”. “I understand that with my privilege comes the burden of not exercising my privilege. I do not have the privilege to feel “excluded” from a conversation that was never designed with me in mind. I do not have the privilege of being upset when I am not invited in or asked to leave the conversation. I understand when my privilege, through no fault of my own, makes people uncomfortable and afraid to speak, so I will be kind and be sure they have the space to heal in their own way, without me, if it’s necessary. I understand that this is a delicate subject and a delicate time and that my good intentions and hope for inclusivity may not be what is needed right now. I understand that when someone is sharing their story that I am privileged to be a part of their lives for a moment and them mine. I understand that a way to be inclusive is to share power and one way to do that is give some of my power away. This can be done by giving my sisters the time to speak with me just listening and saying ‘thank you for sharing’ without damaging the moment with my own need to be recognized, understood, or heard.”
@Precious, I love your comment…it explains it very well…thanks!
I agree love, I’ve had friends of other races “go natural” from a curly perm or color. Its just a hair journey…anyone can be on a journey.
Precious, I lovvvve your comment. I love that you didn’t apologize or insult black people to make Christa comfortable.
you are right , christa. I totally agree with you.
Why is it that when we finally embrace what God has given us naturally white women want to be apart of it. Of course natural hair isn’t just a black womans thing. But this natural hair movement is more about sisterhood. Loving ourselves. Finally excepting who we are and loving our natural beauty, so I can’t understand why we have to share our movement with white women. If white women want to be apart of something they should start their own movement. I don’t see Asian women or latina women trying to do it. Personally I’m pretty sick and tired of them always wanting to be part of whatever we have. If you want to be part of a natural hair movement start your own like we did.
And I have a right to my opinion just like everyone else. We can all agree to disagree. How can a white woman give us tips and advice on our natural hair? Really? This is a joke.
Cleopatra girl please unity and embrace my ass lol. You divide yourselves by hair texture from your own so called sister’s. Girl bye and take all that imaginary unity with you.
Is not because you are with a black m that u kno wat it is to be a black woman.
Crista…just because you’ve pushed out some,
✌️Octoroon Kids✌️….by a
✌️Black Man✌️….doesn’t mean your-Down For the Cause or an Expert on “Race Relations…..you’re just a white chic,who got d**k whipped by Django…..that’s all….you brought your (a)ss on here to set Black women straight….. and a lot of those fools even fell for your Bull(s)**t and “liked” your ignorant and insensitive comment…Do Us Real Confident Black Women a favor…and go back to finish riding “Django”……
^^^this right here is an insult^^^ Smh! May God give some of yall a new heart because its definitely hard. @Precious I love your comments. Kudos!!!
The way all of you with the negative comments are talking to me is reckless af. I am a grown woman, not a little ass kid. The lack of respect is ridiculous. If a white women said these comments to you, you would be offended and pissed but for yall to talk crazy to me like this is ok? If you see my profile picture you see i have some straight ass hair. I “belong” to this group because my mixed daughters AND my natural hair CLIENTS because my profession is HAIR. All hair! Nobody is trying to take what you got. I got my own………. if I like what you like then Im accused of taking from yall and that makes 0 sense. When a black woman gets a weave down to her ass with straight hair, I say “damn I can’t have nothing to myself” I give her a compliment from one woman to the next and keep it moving
Damn why can’t we black people have anything for ourselves. The natural hair movement is much more than just about hair. It’s about the struggle black women have been going through since childhood because of our texture. White women never had to worry about these issues. Every time we let them be part of our movements the movement loses it’s meaning and impact. I’m wondering if that’s what they are trying to do
You came here to talk (s)**t…so why don’t you tell us and these slow Kneegro women,how come when your “black husband” talk (s)**t about black women,you see NO reason to Defend us then….and you know I’m NOT lying…being mixed myself…I already know the bull(s)**t you coming with….
Black women it’s not that serious. White women can have natural hair too.
Loving yourself shouldn’t mean condemning others or stoning them for admiring your efforts.
Troya….?????
Stop cooning for this white chic…..y’all black chics worst than the black men,when it comes to defending their white queens…STOP being an Aunt Tommisina…ya sho looks bad
Us black cant never have things for ourselves. point blank period.
I see a lot of COONS on this post. There are protestors marching staying out to wee hours of day fighting for black rights and speaking up for the unnecessary killings of our black men. Lol and I see black women running protecting the enemy. These white women want everything that a black women has but, lips, melanin and now our conversations.
Wake up and stop sheeping.
As a black man I love my sister, and I like other woman as well. But lets keep this one in the family for a change. It seems like every time we come up with something the dominant society is always their to buy us out. Stopped selling everything you create to outside people. That’s like a Microsoft trying to buy Nintendo. You really think the Asians would sell to someone outside of their community. Hell no.
Thank you for your comment.
This is annoying if we rock a style its ghetto when they rock a style its high fashion so what’s natural for those women? Not getting a curly perm or Brazilian keratin treatment in years. I like sharing a common ground with all women but this is not your movement. Dang yawl started twerking, tanning, butt implants, and Juviderm in your lips what makes me beautiful as a woman of color just keeps being imitated.
Indeed.
This post is full of ignorance and racism. The problem today is that so many black people DONT think that what their saying is rascist because they are saying it about white people. It sickens me that the same people who preach love and acceptance will turn around and attack their fellow women. I don’t know if anyone else sees this but im tired of this nonsense and how blind everyone is.
I am sick of it! They are all racists creating divide everywhere! No man even deserves to end up with such hateful women..that’s more things to hate about. They sound like losers. Someone needs to bash them about wearing weaves wigs extensions and perms. They need to change their attitude
I agree. not with the bashing part put this is ridiculous
Sigh. No solidarity at all from you, Sharonda?
Sharonda Adams I try to stay out of these post because some of these so called black proud natural sista’s cause separation amongst there on community. I.e. writing nasty comments on post for relaxed hair, attacking women with perms and the list goes on. I’m so over all of this!
I don’t think it’s all about hate. I just think for once black women want to heal and uplift black women like white women are always put up as the standard of beauty and now they want to tell us how to be beautiful and natural no I think we need our own thing this time I’m sorry
Sharonda is a step and fetcher type….
NO. This story our struggle. Go get our own, What next are you gonna want.
Here’s the problem, though: if white people are to be excluded from every movement we start…….then they are completely justified in excluding us from every movement they start. Really think about that for a second. Is that a wise move to want to make? Let’s not even talk about all the things white people have created that we DO enjoy and take part in from day to day. Were you wrong when you jumped on their bandwagon? What makes it wrong when she wants to jump on our bandwagon occasionally? We’re better as a whole when we embrace one another than when we exclude one another, as legitimate as our differences may well be.
And before somebody gets on this thread with a rebuttal, look at the phone or computer you’re typing on. The white guy who created Facebook in the first place for there to even be a black hair care page. The internet that houses Facebook and billions of other pages. If you still feel we’re justified in using things they created, but they’re wrong in taking part in our movements, I’m ready to listen with an open mind as to why you think so. I earnestly am.
For me the concern is I do not want them (white women) to come and try to take over our arena. Why does she want us to here her story her when there are so many other black women are sharing there experiences that we can relate too.
I gotcha. And while I wouldn’t shun the lady from the movement, I also wouldn’t actively take hair advice from her since the reality is our hair is very different – there’s no disputing that fact. I hear you on that. If she posted an article I might respectfully glance over it just for knowledge’s sake and then actually DO something I read on a sista’s page.
We’ve always been excluded from their movements. Whilst they appropriate everything good and amazing about our culture. Their sense of entitlement disgust me.
The question is…. Why would they want to be involved? I have no desire to be a part of any movement that is not centered around my personal interest. So since when has black hair been of personal interest to white women;….and more importantly, why do we have to always bow down and invite others. Our culture is in ruins as it is and while white people are not entirely to blame, they have played a vital role. So on this small slice of blackness…. This one thing that united our sisters and elevated our love for each other… I say No. No and I promise you that if you start your own natural hair community black women won’t be angry or upset one bit. We may even support you in finding your sisterhood as we have.
Can we just embrace our culture without being called “racist”? Its not racist when other people try to go back to the roots of their culture. But if we try to grasp it and embrace and show pride in it we are immediately being exclusive of someone else. This “United” states is really A trip.
This is our movement, we always have to include them in our stuff. Have they ever included us in anything? They talk about our hair is bad, they discriminate against Black men & women wearing braids, locks, naturals. You have to “tone” your hairstyles down for their standards. Get your own movement that doesn’t hijack from ours.
I thought the whole “natural” revolution was to NOT look like them. Now they want to join? Bye Felicia!
We cant have s**t lol
So, if we include them and their so called “struggle” with hair issues, does this mean we get more aisle space and shelf space at the store or do we still have our hair care products stuffed into the corner on the back shelf under ‘ETHNIC HAIR CARE’??? Will the stores eagerly except our products mixed right in with theirs? Will we no longer need our own beauty supply store?? Will there be someone at their salon that can do our hair? Will they be buying up all of the shea butter or african black soap now? And lastly, will it now be called Black and White Hair Care Information?? I hope the hell not!!! Let us please, for heaven’s sake, have something of our own. Don’t jump on our bandwagon, start one of your own.
So? Let them buy all the Shea Butter they need. Patronizing another brother’s business.
Right on Sista! I’m with U on this one!
Very well said Pamela smith
I thought this page was a place for black women to share their natural hair journey. I have nothing against white women and their hair but, if they want to talk about their own journey, they should make a page for themselves so they and others with the same hair texture can relate. Me being a black women with the type of hair I have, can’t relate to a white woman’s hair struggle. We are the only race that seem to have the type of hair we do and i couldnt take advice from someone who knows nothing about my hair for the simply fact they dont have that texture. They talk about frizzing and not holding a curl. That’s not my issue. I talk about how long it takes to do my hair and maintain it, that’s not their issue. We are equal but, separate. Somethings we just have to keep for ourselves without others trying to jump on the bandwagon and start making changes. I’ve tried to explain my journey to my white counterparts and it’s as if it’s a phenomenon to them the struggles I’ve gone through. Bottom line, if we had the same hair texture, then YES!!! I would have no issues at all. They can be apart of it, but until then NO! And this has noting to do with insecurities, there are some things that just need to be separate and this is one of them. It would be like comparing apples to bananas. You cant!
Omg thank you… why do we even have to explain.
I have no freaking idea. I have tried, trust me I have but, they still don’t get it.
Agree completly with all you say